Originally Posted by fietsbob

Reset .. a moderator Service, since shallow types thought the number was Important.

Originally Posted by tjspiel

I'd say it's a good analogy.

Originally Posted by kickstart

Kinda, but not really.

The people one will encounter while boating are going to be a fairly narrow spectrum who will likely have some clue and awareness, while a MUT will be shared with people representing the entire human comedy and some non humans as well, some of whom will be entirely clueless and unaware.

Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii

You give boaters too much credit. At least the ones round here.

Originally Posted by tjspiel

It's not random words someone just decides to shout that they expect everyone to know.

If two sailboats are approaching each other, one on a starboard tack, and the other on a port tack, the boat on the starboard tack has the right of way. Yelling "starboard" to the boat on the port tack lets them know that the boat on the starboard tack is there and they are claiming that right of way (sometimes sails obscure visibility).

A beginning sailor may not know what that means and the starboard tack boat is not released from any obligation to avoid a collision, but etiquette says that the boat on the port tack should be the one to get out of the way. The fact that right of way rules are often confusing does not excuse somebody from learning them. You can get away with it in areas with few boats, but if you want to sail in crowded areas, you need to know the rules.

As a sailor, cyclist, runner, driver, even as a pedestrian, it is in everyone's best interest in busy areas to follow conventions. Allowances need to be made for people who haven't learned those conventions yet but regular users should know them.

So if I'm on a MUP, I will say "on your left" loud enough to be heard before passing. I will wait to make sure that the person I'm passing doesn't move into my path, then I will pass.

Originally Posted by tjspiel

You implied that Yankee Fan was wrong to use "on your left" because some people may not know what it means. That is incorrect. He should use it, but not assume the person he's passing knows what he intends.

Originally Posted by wolfchild

What bugs me is cyclists who dress like it's winter time when the temps are still in their 60's and 70's. Why the heck would anybody wear a windproof/waterproof shells when it's so warm ??

Originally Posted by kickstart

Kinda, but not really.

The people one will encounter while boating are going to be a fairly narrow spectrum who will likely have some clue and awareness,

Originally Posted by kickstart

Kinda, but not really.

The people one will encounter while boating are going to be a fairly narrow spectrum who will likely have some clue and awareness, while a MUT will be shared with people representing the entire human comedy and some non humans as well, some of whom will be entirely clueless and unaware.

Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii

You give boaters too much credit. At least the ones round here.

Originally Posted by kickstart

Yes, there are some dumb boaters, but some MUT users have less reason than a common house plant, and the former are far less common than the latter.

Originally Posted by cobrabyte

This morning: two riders going the opposite direction from me, riding next to each other and chatting. A car approaches behind them and is 'forced' into the oncoming lane in which I am travelling. I'm in the center of the lane I am travelling in because the property I'm riding past has their sprinklers on full force and it's spraying half way into the lane I'm in. So the car beeps their horn for the other riders to move over. One of the riders yells at me for "hogging the lane" and not yielding to the car. yay.

Originally Posted by yankeefan

If they learned the jargon then it wouldn't communicate the exact opposite, but would communicate what it was intended to communicate. "On your left" is as basic as cycling jargon gets.

Originally Posted by wolfchild

Which type of cyclists were they ??. Roadies or Freds ??

Originally Posted by tjspiel

+1

And they aren't going to learn the jargon if they never hear it. So I think it's just as important to say "on your left" when you suspect the person you're passing won't know what you mean. Just be extra careful.

I am considering getting a bell though just because I think that's probably more universal than "on your left".

IMHO "hello" should be reserved for greeting people and not used as an announcement of intent to pass.

Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii

You give boaters too much credit. At least the ones round here.

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike

Just as some self described savvy bicyclists cluelessly credit strangers for understanding (or even giving a dang) about group/club cycling customs and "basic jargon." And better yet, get annoyed when others including bicyclists and pedestrians do not respond "correctly" to commands shouted in bicycle club speak.

Originally Posted by yankeefan

That's exactly how I learned what it meant; it got yelled at me enough times for me to piece together that "on your left" means someone is overtaking you and you should create space on the left instead of swerving left. I have a bell on my regular commuter but not on my weekend carbon bike (bells weigh too much goddammit!)

Originally Posted by tjspiel

+1

I am considering getting a bell though just because I think that's probably more universal than "on your left".

Originally Posted by tjspiel

And they aren't going to learn the jargon if they never hear it. So I think it's just as important to say "on your left" when you suspect the person you're passing won't know what you mean. Just be extra careful.

I am considering getting a bell though just because I think that's probably more universal than "on your left".

Originally Posted by jputnam

Assuming, of course, that they speak English... commuting through the International District in Seattle, English is not the native tongue of many people I pass.

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike

Ya mean teaching newcomers/visitors in this country the basic jargon of this country isn't the right thing to do when cycling in the park? Who wudda thunk it?