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Old 01-22-15, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel

I commuted every day for decades with anemic lights that put out 2-10 lumens.
In pitch black conditions in farm land on 2 lane roads with cars doing 60+ MPH, over potholed and washboarded gravel roads and deer jumping in front of you at least once a week?
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
In pitch black conditions in farm land on 2 lane roads with cars doing 60+ MPH, over potholed and washboarded gravel roads and deer jumping in front of you at least once a week?
cycling in the 80s was not that much more dangerous than cycling is today. i think this indicates that super bright led lights aren't the necessity that safety nannies make them out to be.
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yea 0.6w 6v bulbs were not the Brightest things , but worked OK before the Lumens Pi88ing wars began . amongst the Insecure ..
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
cycling in the 80s was not that much more dangerous than cycling is today. i think this indicates that super bright led lights aren't the necessity that safety nannies make them out to be.
Really both of you are right, a safe rider doesn't need much light, but brighter lights that don't have a negative impact on others raise the threshold of what is safe to do.
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Pick up the cheap Bell Radian set at WalMart for $15-20. It's no MagicShine and RadBot 1000 combo, but they're unobtrusive, harder to steal than most, and last forever. On blink, they're easily enough to be seen at night, though they lack the RadBot's ability to really grab a driver's attention from a half mile away.
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OP, on that night if your headlight was very bright, I found that a bright headlight can help rear visibility. Point the headlight slightly downward so there will be a light circle just in front of you, and cars behind can see you, without you losing a front light (which is also very important, given many head collision accidents, which are more fatal than rear hit).
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I have three tail lights on my main commuter bike, if you can consider my spoke light a tail light. It's a good attention grabber, and it can be seen from the rear, so it's fair to call it a tail light. I also have a B&M D Toplight Plus, which is a dynamo powered light that lights up steady. And I have a Cygolite Hotshot which I set to blink.

I have two headlights, so to speak. The main one is a Philips Saferide, also dynamo powered. And I have a little bitty Nite Ize light dangling from my zipper drawstring; it runs on a watch battery. Basically, I have a lot of faith that my main headlight will work all the time. It hasn't failed yet.

The only failure I have had of my B&M tail light is that one of the wires came out, and I was able to put it back in. This light also serves as a very large reflector.
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Originally Posted by SGocka
A week or so ago I bought a new taillight. I got the Serfas Thunderbolt.
I have one of those. My favorite light, but I learned very early on that while it lasts seemingly forever in the "dim" flasher mode, that it burns out pretty quick in bright mode. Given how visible it is in "dim" mode, I just use mine in that mode and keap a blackburn flea as a backup.

I second the suggestion to simply adopt a charging schedule - every Sunday night, my lights are on the charger.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
cycling in the 80s was not that much more dangerous than cycling is today. i think this indicates that super bright led lights aren't the necessity that safety nannies make them out to be.
Yeah, and we all rode "lightweight" 30 lbs bikes, but I sure like my 17 lb CF road bike a lot better than what I used to ride. Safer is better, regardless of whether you survived less safe conditions in the "good ol' days".
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Originally Posted by bbbean
Yeah, and we all rode "lightweight" 30 lbs bikes, but I sure like my 17 lb CF road bike a lot better than what I used to ride. Safer is better, regardless of whether you survived less safe conditions in the "good ol' days".
since my commute involves bombing down hills on plastic, i obviously agree.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Really both of you are right, a safe rider doesn't need much light, but brighter lights that don't have a negative impact on others raise the threshold of what is safe to do.
agreed. (is this a first? )
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Originally Posted by Matariki
I always run 2-3 lights for redundancy (and perhaps for paranoia!). I invested in some Eneloop batteries and charge them weekly. Other than the lights jumping off the bike occasionally, all is good.
I absolutely love Eneloop batteries. And actually, they do hold their charge really well. I use them in flash units (for Cameras) and they easily last twice as long as other rechargeables. And I can leave a flash unit in the bag with charged batteries, pull it out four months later, and it'll work just as long. They are great! And last!
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
agreed. (is this a first? )
Not really, we do have some strong academic differences, but in reality probably share most common goals and desires.
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Originally Posted by bbbean
I have one of those. My favorite light, but I learned very early on that while it lasts seemingly forever in the "dim" flasher mode, that it burns out pretty quick in bright mode.
That's my experience with the Knog Blinder 4V. I picked it up and thought "this is an excellent light" - until I realized that I had to charge it about every other day. The design is great (other than the flip out USB charger plug is hard to use) but I'd have preferred that they made it another 4mm thicker and doubled the battery capacity.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
cycling in the 80s was not that much more dangerous than cycling is today. i think this indicates that super bright led lights aren't the necessity that safety nannies make them out to be.
I bike commuted all through college in the 70s using a pitiful "leg lamp" strapped to my ankle. It provided virtually no lighting of the road ahead of me and minimal visibility from the back, but was about the best thing around at that time in my budget. Would I want to go back to those days? Never. LED lights are what I consider the biggest advancement in bike commuting technology over the past 10 years. It is simply amazing the amount of light power (front and rear) you can get for relatively little money these days. My $100 Light & Motion Urban 800 is brighter and holds a charge better than lights that would have cost more than $500 not many years ago. You can buy taillights for less than $30 that are much brighter than anything available a while back. Not only are the new lights brighter and safer, they also make riding in the dark much more enjoyable. I think nothing about commuting in the dark for much of the year because I can see nearly as well as daylight with my LED lights.
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Reflectors and reflective tape work in the rain and don't require batteries. I don't ride all that much in the dark, but when I do the reflective bits on my backpack, h-bar bag, and bike seem to keep me visible enough.
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Originally Posted by tarwheel
I bike commuted all through college in the 70s using a pitiful "leg lamp" strapped to my ankle. It provided virtually no lighting of the road ahead of me and minimal visibility from the back, but was about the best thing around at that time in my budget. Would I want to go back to those days? Never. LED lights are what I consider the biggest advancement in bike commuting technology over the past 10 years. It is simply amazing the amount of light power (front and rear) you can get for relatively little money these days. My $100 Light & Motion Urban 800 is brighter and holds a charge better than lights that would have cost more than $500 not many years ago. You can buy taillights for less than $30 that are much brighter than anything available a while back. Not only are the new lights brighter and safer, they also make riding in the dark much more enjoyable. I think nothing about commuting in the dark for much of the year because I can see nearly as well as daylight with my LED lights.
While I agree, its important to remember that some of today's lights have gone too far in the opposite direction, and if used carelessly, or as a crutch to compensate for a lack of skill, or confidence, they can compromise the safety of others by taking away their ability to see. With power, comes responsibility.

I ride with a 1900's Searchlight carbide lamp, 1930's Miller bottle dynamo lights, 1960's Sturmey Archer dynohub lights, current Cateye battery, and Bush Muller dyno lights. No doubt, todays LED lights are great.
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Originally Posted by cobrabyte
Reflectors and reflective tape work in the rain and don't require batteries. I don't ride all that much in the dark, but when I do the reflective bits on my backpack, h-bar bag, and bike seem to keep me visible enough.
While that may work for you, and I don't suggest it, not riding with a set of lights at night is flat out dangerous. Halfway through my commute home late at night, the street lights become fewer and fewer, and eventually, I am left on a pitch black MUP for almost 3 miles. The reflective bits on my clothing do absolutely nothing for that. I use my lights to see, and to be seen. Cobra - start riding at night more and see how it is.
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If we're talking about a commuter bike, a dedicated workhorse bike that you're going to ride every day, irrespective of weather, daylight, etc, I don't see how you can get by without dynamo lights. Mine have been in place since I put this bike together about three years ago, and in that time they have not required any attention from me. If the wheels are turning, the lights are on. I've had flat tires, replaced the chain, changed the crank, lots of minor repairs. But the dynamo lights are just there.



I'm all for redundancy, blinkies, rechargeables, whatever. And I'm all for commuting on a different bike every now and then, maybe even a bike without a dynamo light; that's what I have the blinkies and the rechargeables for. But if you're serious about commuting by bike, I just don't see how you can get by without dynamo lights.
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Originally Posted by rhm
If we're talking about a commuter bike, a dedicated workhorse bike that you're going to ride every day, irrespective of weather, daylight, etc, I don't see how you can get by without dynamo lights. Mine have been in place since I put this bike together about three years ago, and in that time they have not required any attention from me. If the wheels are turning, the lights are on. I've had flat tires, replaced the chain, changed the crank, lots of minor repairs. But the dynamo lights are just there.



I'm all for redundancy, blinkies, rechargeables, whatever. And I'm all for commuting on a different bike every now and then, maybe even a bike without a dynamo light; that's what I have the blinkies and the rechargeables for. But if you're serious about commuting by bike, I just don't see how you can get by without dynamo lights.
I imagine some folks might not have a dedicated commuter workhorse. Might be commuting on a bike that is also tasked with some other job.

My question (just a curiosity); is are there in-line batteries for dynamo lights? Where I'm at, rural, lots of inattentive drivers as night who aren't necessarily distracted but seriously caught up in 'highway hypnosis'. They are used to being alone on the road. I'd be concerned about sitting at stop signs without any light. But such a setup would be cool if it still had a rechargeable battery. I understand Dynamo's probably couldn't charge that battery, but it could be recharged at home and used in such a way to just 'augment' the lights; keeping them consistently bright and working when stopped. Then when rolling, the Dynamo takes over, etc. Does such a setup exist?

More curiosity than anything. Even in that situation, if the battery failed; you'd still have lights as long as you were moving.
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Originally Posted by RomansFiveEight
I imagine some folks might not have a dedicated commuter workhorse. Might be commuting on a bike that is also tasked with some other job.

My question (just a curiosity); is are there in-line batteries for dynamo lights? Where I'm at, rural, lots of inattentive drivers as night who aren't necessarily distracted but seriously caught up in 'highway hypnosis'. They are used to being alone on the road. I'd be concerned about sitting at stop signs without any light. But such a setup would be cool if it still had a rechargeable battery. I understand Dynamo's probably couldn't charge that battery, but it could be recharged at home and used in such a way to just 'augment' the lights; keeping them consistently bright and working when stopped. Then when rolling, the Dynamo takes over, etc. Does such a setup exist?

More curiosity than anything. Even in that situation, if the battery failed; you'd still have lights as long as you were moving.
Yeah, there are a few things like that.

The current tech is something called a "standlight," which is a capacitor built into a lot of modern dynamo lights. It powers the lights, often at a somewhat reduced level, for a few minutes even if the wheel isn't turning. That's relatively new technology (I first heard of them about ten years ago) and I really don't know much about it.

An older approach is just to have batteries in the lamp housing, and a switch; I have a Lucas headlight made in the early 50's the switch marked for three settings: D - O - B. D=dynamo, O=off, B=battery. It just takes regular batteries, and doesn't recharge them.

I'm not clear about what kind of batteries the old Sturmey Archer battery unit took:
Sturmey-Archer Heritage :: History
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sadbu.pdf

And there's a DIY solution, where you wire up a bank of rechargeable batteries that you charge up in daytime riding and switch on when necessary; description here, but I haven't tried it.
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Reflectors and/or reflective tape and other reflective stuff is much, much, much better than nothing when tail lights fail.
(Two tail lights for me when riding in darkish conditions.)
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Originally Posted by tarwheel
I bike commuted all through college in the 70s using a pitiful "leg lamp" strapped to my ankle. It provided virtually no lighting of the road ahead of me and minimal visibility from the back, but was about the best thing around at that time in my budget. Would I want to go back to those days? Never. LED lights are what I consider the biggest advancement in bike commuting technology over the past 10 years. It is simply amazing the amount of light power (front and rear) you can get for relatively little money these days. My $100 Light & Motion Urban 800 is brighter and holds a charge better than lights that would have cost more than $500 not many years ago. You can buy taillights for less than $30 that are much brighter than anything available a while back. Not only are the new lights brighter and safer, they also make riding in the dark much more enjoyable. I think nothing about commuting in the dark for much of the year because I can see nearly as well as daylight with my LED lights.
Ditto that, when I used to have a cheap Walmart front light, I was scared as hell to be riding out after dark. Now I'm perfectly confident with my current setup.

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I'm all for redundancy, blinkies, rechargeables, whatever. And I'm all for commuting on a different bike every now and then, maybe even a bike without a dynamo light; that's what I have the blinkies and the rechargeables for. But if you're serious about commuting by bike, I just don't see how you can get by without dynamo lights.
I disagree. I hope to build up a dedicated commuter at some point, but I'm not planning on using dynamo lights, as battery powered lights work just fine for me. And I'd say 90+ miles per week of commuting, with as much as possible through winter, is pretty darn serious.

Not using lights at night because you've been fine for so long without them, is like not using the internet because you got along fine for decades without it. Things change, stuff gets better. Do you really want to be stuck in the past like that?
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