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    Junglecross type races: pics and reports? ...Lots of RUNNING

    I like the idea of some exotic courses. Especially I like a course with a lot of running -- like with distance running. Legging it. Not just winching up steep hills that you can't ride. I like a course that actually rewards real running skill. So that wouldn't be a normal modern race. Since we are now so wonderfully riding-centric. Not so much "run'n'ride" anymore. So maybe such a course would be labeled "junglecross" type. A deviant! So are any out there? What are your fave JC races? Links to pics and reports appreciated!
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    If I wanted to run I'd enter a biathlon.

    The closest I've seen to what you're describing is Zaandercross ("the Koksijde of the ‘Couve"). It has a long section that crosses a couple of beach volleyball courts, though I think more people end up walking than running. Running in loose sand is a different kind of running skill.



    This year with the help of a little morning rain Erik Tonkin somehow managed to ride through the sand and gained a huge advantage over the competition. A couple of other guys on fat bikes were able to ride it too, but fat bikes are such an inherent disadvantage that I don't think it helped them at all over the whole course. It looked fun though.

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    You mean duathlon. Biathlon is where they ski and shoot (fun!). Yeah, I like both running and biking but I don't wanna split em up so totally. Or make it a pure road/track combo event: duathlons are done on pavement mostly. I like the on'n'off the bike of CX but just wish there were more parts were you could really leg it rather than just trudge or wallow. I suppose the idea of CX is that you ride except for where you can't then you run (or, more accurately trudge/wallow/climb), so how about a crossing of a field of tall weeds'n'grass. I could run thru that and others might be tempted to ride thru it. Who knows what would be faster. But it would let me shake out the legs a bit.

    Also back in the day of Junglecross or 1970's US cross as I read of it, you'd have to cross a field or woodlot by whatever way you thought best. The routes weren't taped in. So I'd like to see a course where we're sent to a field and we have to get across however.

    Also, I like running but what's neat about CX is that you could get some run fun but not too much. 100 ft of it a few times per lap would be dandy.
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    Why are you trying to ruin cyclocross? This is why we can't have nice things.

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    I like it.I hate running on pavement, I like running off road, I love RIDING off road. I enjoy the courses where there is more running required because they are usually more painful. A course through open field would be a lot more adventurous then riding through a taped out course. the more adventurous the race the more fun I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lspade View Post
    I like it.I hate running on pavement, I like running off road, I love RIDING off road. I enjoy the courses where there is more running required because they are usually more painful. A course through open field would be a lot more adventurous then riding through a taped out course. the more adventurous the race the more fun I have.
    Someone should host a race from point A to point B with no course maps or preriding. The winner is the person who arrives the fastest, even if that means swimming across a pond with your bike or bushwacking through a forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refreshing View Post
    Someone should host a race from point A to point B with no course maps or preriding. The winner is the person who arrives the fastest, even if that means swimming across a pond with your bike or bushwacking through a forest.
    That's fine and all, but it's not cyclocross.

    Personally, I think courses with lots of unrideable sections that require lots of running appeal mostly to people who haven't actually raced on such courses. It sounds "epic" and awesome to have to slog up hills and through brambles and mud with a bike on your shoulder, but the reality of it is that it's less fun than a true cyclocross course that allows you to ride most of it. Even famously run-heavy Flandrian CX courses are much, much more focused on riding than running, and they're better for it. Running is an indelible element of cyclocross and it will never go away, but when you get right down to it, it's a cycling discipline. And races where the riders spend most of their time running around are less fun to watch, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    That's fine and all, but it's not cyclocross.

    Personally, I think courses with lots of unrideable sections that require lots of running appeal mostly to people who haven't actually raced on such courses. It sounds "epic" and awesome to have to slog up hills and through brambles and mud with a bike on your shoulder, but the reality of it is that it's less fun than a true cyclocross course that allows you to ride most of it. Even famously run-heavy Flandrian CX courses are much, much more focused on riding than running, and they're better for it. Running is an indelible element of cyclocross and it will never go away, but when you get right down to it, it's a cycling discipline. And races where the riders spend most of their time running around are less fun to watch, as well.
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    70s Cyclocross in the US was non existent.. races like the 3 peaks in UK were almost like a fox hunt minus the horses and a fox to chase

    and using lands that are having a whole different history of land access and ownership than the US.


    I found a US promoter trying to make something like that here .. google-fu Three Peaks USA Ultracross


    the Yorkshire UK one RACE INFORMATION - THREE PEAKS CYCLOCROSS


    Someone should host a race from point A to point B with no course maps or preriding
    Get on it the 'somebody should' committee is a mirror , showing You.

    Orienteering has been a popular event , a paper map and compass event , in the woods with out bikes, hiking

    http://orienteering.org/ Though I see there is an MTB using sector . a big event in Birkerød, Denmark.. next month
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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    I think courses with lots of unrideable sections that require lots of running appeal mostly to people who haven't actually raced on such courses. It sounds "epic" and awesome to have to slog up hills and through brambles and mud with a bike on your shoulder, but the reality of it is that it's less fun than a true cyclocross course
    I see where you are coming from. I go bushwack-biking on my cross bike quite often and have been stuck hiking/scrambling a mile or two at a time with my bike because I was incorrect about a shortcut. Carrying a bike for such lengths is definitely less fun than riding it but I think if competition was involved it would be much more stellar. I agree that this is "not cyclocross" but I would definitely sign up for a race like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post

    Get on it the 'somebody should' committee is a mirror , showing You.
    Haha, good point! When you say it like that it makes me wonder why I haven't tried it yet.

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    I'll chime in again: I personally mostly like running fast. I don't consider the uphill slogs to be 'running.' As I said in my initial plea, I'd like to leg it a bit and stretch it out -- 100 yds at a time. Not forever. Not nasty. A chance to leg it is what I want.
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