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    Electric assisted bicycles

    Beginning today, electric assisted bicycles are legal on the roads of Ontario.

    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...icle/emerging/

    This brings the regulation into harmony with most other jurisdictions in Canada and USA.

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    yes well done!

    i so excite

    but where you buy it? (of ontario yes)

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    Canadian Tire:

    http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortmen...=1160313257773

    Or check your LBS (local bike shop)
    Last edited by fifty5; 10-08-06 at 07:22 AM.

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    sir or do they sell kit to change in ontario
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    Canadian Tire stores in Ontario carry a model for $999.99 plus taxes.

    Their store manager at Barrhaven, Ottawa, tried to sell me one back in May and, boy, it is a heavy machine. I doubt if you can pedal it just by human power alone.

    However, it is the end of summer and you may have to wait until next spring before they will carry any stock.

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    yes

    i play with it at canadian tire

    it heavy

    i tink it suppose label as 85 lbs. but it feel closer to 100lbs

    try carry up and down stair hee hee

    i have regular bike about 28lbs i want convert adding kit maybe 30lbs

    so about 60lbs near... i hope it still not so heavy

    lower gears is my friends for riding untili switch to motor electric helper hee hee

    but if kit is available that would be great

    I lean towardz this Crystalyte System. BionX, although light, is quite costly compared to the others.

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    btw, in your expert opinions, where would you rather have the hub motor, and why? On the front wheel or back wheel?

    i am try use thinking along lines of brakes, more stopping power with the front, when moving in forward direction, back wheel not as well when brakes applied, when moving forward with a motor, it seems this point is insignificant...

    if motor on mback, it not seem as noticeable neither, on front it more noticeable

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    another bunch of questions for any experienced users and/or experts out there
    1) How does battery and controller have compatible, i.e. if controller say 36-48V and battery is 36V 7Ah, they compatible, but if 36-48V controller, and 24V battery, not compatible?
    2) What is significance of controller, 36-48V? What does this mean compared to 24V? Better tops speed, or better hill climbing?

    or is this related to the controller's ampereage? like 36V @ 20A, versus 25A, 25A better hill climber

    and 36V goes faster speed, than 24V? is this right or are amperage of the concern?

    anyone know how the 36V and 20A combonation will provide in speed and hiill climbing?

    some available options follow:
    http://www.jvbike.com/crystalyte.htm

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    I wonder what the rules are. Do we need a licence, plate, helmet, or insurance. Or if there are speed restrictions. I've been wanting to build one for a while. Why not run it right off the chain ring?
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    Last edited by Horse; 04-18-07 at 10:10 AM.
    Fine then, **** you too...

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    Here's the regulations:
    Effective October 3, 2006, the Province of Ontario began a three-year pilot project to evaluate the use of power-assisted bicycles (also known as electric bikes or e-bikes) on roads and highways where conventional bicycles are currently allowed. The pilot is opened to all Ontarians 16 years of age and older and will run for three years. For the duration of the pilot, electric bicycles will be treated as bicycles and must follow the same rules of the road as set out in the Highway Traffic Act that currently apply to cyclists.
    There are two exceptions:
    • Operators must be 16 years of age or older, and
    • All operators must wear an approved bicycle helmet at all times.
    SAMPLE LABEL:
    THIS VEHICLE IS A POWER
    ASSISTED BICYCLE AND
    MEETS ALL THE
    REQUIREMENTS UNDER
    SECTION 2(1) OF THE
    CANADA MOTOR VEHICLE
    SAFETY REGULATIONS.


    CE VÉHICULE EST UNE BICYCLETTE
    ASSISTÉE ET RECONTRE LA NORME 2(1)
    DU RÈGLEMENT SUR LA SÉCURITÉ
    DES VÉHICULES AUTOMOBILES DU CANADA.
    During the pilot:
    • No driver's licence is required,
    • No written test is required,
    • No vehicle registration or plate required,
    • No requirement for motor vehicle liability insurance.
    An e-bike is a bike that:
    • has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals;
    • is designed to be propelled primarily by muscular power and to travel on not more than three wheels;
    • has a motor that has a power output rating of 500W or less. (Note: the motor is electric, and is incapable of propelling the cycle at speed of 32km/h or greater on level ground, without pedaling.)
    The power-assisted bicycle pilot is authorized by Ontario Regulation 473/06. In this regulation, the legal definition of an e-bike refers to the federal definition of a power-assisted bicycle. For the full definition, please see subsection 2(1) of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
    You can tell an e-bike is an e-bike by its label.
    32 kmh?That's pretty darn SLOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifty5
    Canadian Tire:

    http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortmen...=1160313257773

    Or check your LBS (local bike shop)
    I had that one... not a very good eBike. Way too heavy and substandard parts.
    I'm now riding a Gary Fisher bike with the Bionx. Much better!

    See my introduction thread for details on my Bionx mountain bike. If you're in Mississauga you may see me on the trails this summer.
    Last edited by Zeuser; 04-11-07 at 08:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse
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    ........and the Horse you rode in on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuser
    I had that one... not a very good eBike. Way too heavy and substandard parts.
    I'm now riding a Gary Fisher bike with the Bionx. Much better!
    Are you referring to the Schwinn 6 speed with the "Currie" drive, or the "Strong" 21 speed with hub motor?
    I considered the Strong model last year when CTC offered it at $999. Recently, it was offered for a couple of weeks at $899. Had some concerns about the battery, since I have no way of knowing if this is last year's bike that has been sitting in a warehouse for months. However, at the considerable savings, I took a chance.
    This is MUCH less than a Bionx kit, and includes not only a complete bicycle, but lights, horn, 21 speeds, disk brakes, carrier, battery meter, fenders (2 types). YES, it is HEAVY. Is that important? Well, probably, if the battery dies and you have to pedal it uphill. Frankly, the weight is irrelevant on the flat, and if you're going downhill, it assists. With 21 speeds (other ebikes I checked out only offered 6) it is not really a problem. Much of the weight (~30 lbs) is the battery, and removing that, the bike weighs about the same as my old Raleigh Bighorn. Yes, there aluminum lightweights, but should I trust them to carry my obese body plus the heavy battery?
    I think for what the bike package offers, it's a pretty decent deal. I have congestive heart failure, and can't manage the hills without the battery assist. This bike is wonderful in that it has allowed me to get back into cycling.
    Caertainly, the claims are somewhat inflated - I can go 12-15 km before the uphill assist becomes pretty weak - a far cry from the claimed 80 km! BUT, that 12-15km is really sufficient for my needs, and would be more for a skinny person.
    The one horror is the plastic carrier case - light and flimsy, it rattles to such a degree that you ant to rip it off and stomp on it. Have replaced with Zellers nylon cooler. Aaaaah, peace and quiet!
    How about it - any other CTC STRONG Ebike users out there? It ain't perfect, but I'm enjoying it, and saving gas and the environment.

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    It's the Strong that I had. If you're concerned about it sitting in the warehouse, don't be... they're usually sold out of eBikes at CTC. These things fly off the shelves pretty quick.

    Having had both the Strong and the Bionx I can tell you there's a world of difference. The problem with the strong is that if the battery goes dead, forget about pedaling it; it's just too heavy.

    The frame isn't that great, the parts are cheap and it chews through brake pads really fast.

    I agree about the case. I lost my handheld videocamera because of the flimsy lock. It popped open after hitting a big bump and the contents went flying all over the place. Never did find the video camera though. I did a "hack" to the box that was pretty cool. I removed the lid, removed the red full width reflector and discovered there's enough space in there for a tail-light. So I got one of those cheap 2 LED taillights, drilled two holes in the case where the reflector goes and installed the LED taillight so that the mechanism is inside the box while the LEDs stick out. Then I re-assembled the thing. So when I needed to turn on the taillight I unlocked the box, open the lid, reached into the cover and pressed the toggle button. Then I simply closed and locked the lid. It was a really clean install and the taillight was even more visible than before for traffic behind me.

    The Strong isn't a bad eBike. And at $899 it's certainly a good deal. But expect a heavy bike, heavy battery, squeaks and rattles and many cheap parts. Overall I enjoyed my time with the Strong despite it shortcomings. And I was seriously considering getting the Lithium battery for it this spring but decided to convert my mountain bike with a Bionx kit instead. My road bike, or commuter, will be a Tadpole trike.

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    Here's a discussion about what has turned into an ugly spat. Unbelievably, Toronto bicylists and eBikers are fighting with each other: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-545184.html

    Yet in Vancouver, they cooperate and work together. Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PercyFox View Post
    Here's a discussion about what has turned into an ugly spat. Unbelievably, Toronto bicylists and eBikers are fighting with each other: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-545184.html

    Yet in Vancouver, they cooperate and work together. Sheesh.
    hmm... your comment makes no sense
    the article you quoted points to this news

    Toronto council passes plan to narrow Jarvis in favour of bike lanes
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1151965/

    where do you see that ebikers are fighting each other?
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