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    Flyboy, there are a lot of things in life you can't prove, that's why we have common sense.

    And don't try to compare cycling with sleeping. That's like comparing tuberculosis to a cold.

    Also:
    1. Legislating helmet use is not legislating inactivity.
    2. Legislating inactivity would not save tax payers any money because of increased obesity and its associated health risks.
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    bike laws requiring helmets leads to less cyclists

    as stated in a new zealand report, less cyclists were counted after the helmet law was
    made mandantory. so legislated laws lead to less bicycles on the road and less accidents.
    what kind of a solution is this to using a bike for physical fitness. is cycling really a dangerous
    activity? maybe we should ban it completely! wear a helmet if you wish but don't force others
    to do it by making excuses that helmets save lives! they are useful in extreme low speed incidents
    such as falling off your bike while standing still. just read the labels attached to your helmets. the
    big gains through this legislation will be made by the helmet manufacturers. styrofoam and plastic
    are not sufficient to save your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy9503 View Post
    that is fine but we don't need new laws . do we need to be controlled by an over zealous government
    What laws will be next? I think i should move to another country where the people are valued and not
    controlled
    You should move to Texas.

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    "You should move to Texas." QUOTE.

    Less of a "Nanny State", than Ontario!


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    sounds like a pro helmet no freedoms site

    yes texas sounds better. there are many states where a motorcyclist can drive without a helmet never
    mind bicycles. you would think people would be dropping like flies because of the dangers. bicycling is not
    a dangerous activity and we can wear helmets if we wish but it should not be a requirement by law. Yes
    i will probably get a ticket for riding my harmless bicycle. Incidentally we should revoke all health care
    if you are involved in any accident which can be proven to be your fault or through your own carelessness
    whether you are wearing a helmet or not. As well it should be revoked for any activity with known
    risks such as skydiving, scuba diving, roller skating, jay walking, drunk driving, you get the picture.
    We need the government to respect our personal freedoms and not put out a new law every time a
    perceived problem is discovered. If cyclists were more careful in their habits ie stopping for stop signs,
    riding with lights at night, not cutting in and out of traffic there would also be less accidents.
    There is no helmet requirement in Holland and they have a lot more cyclists than we do. Maybe the
    government should have a cycling license requirement and have testing done if cycling is so dangerous
    in ontario. Statistics do not support a helmet law, and helmets are not substantial enough to save your
    life. if you are serious about wearing a helmet then get a motorcycle helmet.

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    "ONTARI-ARI-ARI-O, A PLACE TO STAND."

    (But no place to sit!)


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    er... yes cycling is dangerous, surrounded by cagers that don`t see you, others that are opening doors in front of you, in your case, zero crash protection, effen eh right its dangerous. I ride a motorcycle and i am acutely aware of the dangers of riding in traffic.

    www.helmets.org/stats.htm

    http://www.helmets.org/henderso.htm

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...111768004/pg_1

    http://www.hotelfun4kids.com/traveln...bikesafety.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwin View Post
    This law is pretty much the parallel with the mandatory seat belt law, there is no good argument against it.
    There are tons of good arguments against it. Decreased cycling for one. It's a law that makes cycling more dangerous and inconvenient for everyone.
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    Does there even need to be a law? Wearing a helmet should be an automatic response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chephy View Post
    There are tons of good arguments against it. Decreased cycling for one. It's a law that makes cycling more dangerous and inconvenient for everyone.
    Your argument that wearing a helmet is more dangerous is just....

    It's like the argument that not wearning a seat belt is safer because on the 1 in a billion chance the car rolls just right, you may just get thrown out a window that's already broken and thrown free of an impending fireball death into a tree is just that.

    I'll play the odds, wear my seat belt and my helmet thanks.
    You can continue to bet your health so you don't get helmet hair.

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    "I'll play the odds, wear my seat belt and my helmet thanks." QUOTE.


    The odds are that most people DO NOT get into accidents whilst riding a bike

    or in an automobile. Seatbelts are a sop to the insurance industry, (read as "no fault")

    and bike helmets are a continuation of "from cradle to grave", mentality by liberal government.




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    as useless as air bags, and seatbelts in airplanes right?

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    I thought this thread would naturally die.... but nope, it just keeps going.
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    "I thought this thread would naturally die....

    but nope, it just keeps going." QUOTE.



    YUP,

    and that's no accident!


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    Just wear the flammin' thing and stop ya moaning.....I mean, what's the problem?

    But seriously folks, I've had a few nasty spills off the bike, one when I was struck from behind by a car travelling at 50mph/80kmph, and the helmet helped to save my life, but the straps sliced my scalp and left ear up REAL BAD, and it didn't stop me breaking my back either....

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    I walked away from this crash thanks to airbags and seat belts. (although i reckon the only purpose for seat belts on planes is to identify the bodies)
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    I was once cut off by a car that raced by me and cut right in front of me. I went over the hood with my bike, and my head hit and cracked the car's windshield. If I hadn't been wearing a helmet, it's my head itself that would have cracked the windshield, and there is just NO WAY you can believe that wouldn't have caused some SERIOUS trauma and possibly brain damage. As it was, I rolled off the hood of the car, got up and walked away with just a couple of scrapes and bruises. I'm sure almost every person on these boards has a similar story.

    flyboy, if you want to hide behind questionable statistics, you go right ahead. I'll gladly strap on my helmet every time I get on my bike, even if I'm just going a kilometer down the road to pick up dinner.

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    "I'll gladly strap on my helmet every time I get on my bike, even if I'm just going a kilometer down the road to pick up dinner." QUOTE.

    I am "glad", that it is your CHOICE, as is presently mine not to!


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    No helmet? No problem.

    Just send me your Ontario Health card so I can tear it up.

    I choose not to fork over my hard-earned tax dollars to keep you hooked up to a hospital ventilator when you are a drooling vegetable because you chose not to wear a helmet.

    Simple.

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    here is the point as with any freedom we have. don't push your ideas forcefully upon others. wear
    your helmet if you wish. it is good for a 8 kph crash as stated on the manufacturer tags. no law should
    be made to force us to wear a helmet for a safe leisure activity. this is a politician gone crazy with
    no respect for our freedoms.

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    and that is the point it should be our choice to wear or not to wear! are we adults or just imbisols
    to have all of our decisions made for us.

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    and if you scuba dive, sky dive, walk on dangerous streets, ride amusemnent rides, drive impaired,
    or do anything else that has any possible danger please hand over yours.

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    i don't hide behind statistics. they are available to anyone who wants to use them. why doesn't our
    government actually show how many cyclists are injured per year and state where they occur.
    they aren't all head injuries. if you want to wear a helmet then do so but don't force the rest of
    us to concur with your ideas.

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    you obviously don't believe in freedom of choice. if you want the government to run your life then so be it. i would prefer to make my own decisions based on how i perceive the risks.

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    you are so right about the liberals

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