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    Ontario: are you getting buzzed more often recently?

    Just curious if anyone else has experienced more close passes than usual since the NDP started getting all that press about their 3-foot proposal.

    I've experienced a small run of VERY close passes, a little more frequent than usual, and certainly a lot closer (I'm mostly thinking of the ones when there is no oncoming traffic, that 'send a message' type of aggression).

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    Happened to me yesterday, but I think it was just a seriously dopey driver. I was on a Bixi bike. I think a Bixi would put a somewhat bigger dent in your average car than a regular bike.
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    For me it's been about the same, but I do most of my riding around north Brampton/Caledon so traffic is minimal. Go figure my two biggest hobbies of the last decade, the bicycle and motorcycle both have the cager as their biggest danger.

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    I got cut off by a truck and had to move to the right until my pedal almost hit the curb. He was making a right turn and didn't wanna wait for me to pass first, so he cut me off, then I nearly slammed into his rear as he braked hard. What an idiot.

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    I haven't noticed a difference lately. Same great drivers and same horrible drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wes_shakirov View Post
    I got cut off by a truck and had to move to the right until my pedal almost hit the curb. He was making a right turn and didn't wanna wait for me to pass first, so he cut me off, then I nearly slammed into his rear as he braked hard. What an idiot.
    I hope you weren't trying to pass a truck (or any vehicle) on the right when it was in the act of making a right turn. That's just dumb. You got what you deserved if you were. You pass vehicles on the left when they are making right turns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conspiratemus1 View Post
    I hope you weren't trying to pass a truck (or any vehicle) on the right when it was in the act of making a right turn. That's just dumb. You got what you deserved if you were. You pass vehicles on the left when they are making right turns.
    No, no. I was just rolling along and there was a driveway coming up on the right in about 100 feet. Instead of waiting for me to pass him, he passed me, braked hard to make the right turn and that's when I ran out of room cause he nearly squeezed me onto the curb. I know what you mean, but it did not feel like my fault AT ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by wes_shakirov View Post
    No, no. I was just rolling along and there was a driveway coming up on the right in about 100 feet. Instead of waiting for me to pass him, he passed me, braked hard to make the right turn and that's when I ran out of room cause he nearly squeezed me onto the curb. I know what you mean, but it did not feel like my fault AT ALL
    So who was passing whom? Certainly if he passed you and then immediately turned right he's a vicious and nasty a$$hole. But once he's ahead of you and has started to brake for the turn, he does not have to wait for you to pass him. You must do what is necessary to let him turn in safety. You either slow down to wait for him to turn out of your path, or you go around him on the left. Now granted, this can all happen so quickly that it's hard to tell what exactly happened. Better in that close-call situation if he had waited behind you until you had passed the intersection; it would have cost him what, two or three seconds? I'm glad you weren't hurt.


    When you are driving your car, do you try to pass other cars on the side they are attempting to turn toward? No. If a car brakes abruptly to make a sudden turn, you have to slow down to avoid rear-ending him, or you pass on the opposite side if there is room. As motorists, we all hate the driver who passes us in a great rush on a two-lane road then immediately slows to make a left turn but other than being dumb-a$$, it's not illegal. You just have to be constantly on your guard.
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    "he passed me, . . . I ran out of room cause he nearly squeezed me onto the curb. . . . but it did not feel like my fault AT ALL."
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    That's called a right hook....

    conspiratemus1, stop being a dick and making it sound like it was the cyclist's fault....If you are ahead of the driver, he should see you and not go ahead of you to make a right hand turn...

    And hshearer....Yes, wife and I have been getting buzzed more the last little while...I blame it on the end of summer and everyone being in a general pissy mood...
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    Yesterday when driving in downtown Toronto I was honked twice by a car behind me - once when I waited for the streetcar doors to close before moving forward, and again when I waited for a cyclist to clear the path before I turned right. Then he or she hurtled past me in an obvious snit.

    Hope I don't encounter that jerk when I'm riding my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
    That's called a right hook....

    conspiratemus1, stop being a dick and making it sound like it was the cyclist's fault....If you are ahead of the driver, he should see you and not go ahead of you to make a right hand turn...
    Not being a dick, just pointing out that the only way to avoid the right hook is to be a good defensive driver. Never allow yourself to be caught in the situation where a car (or other cyclist) can turn right across your path:
    1) Don't pass a car on the right when it is indicating a right turn, either by turn signal or just because it is slowing and drifting to the right. Read the subtle indications. If he's fully ahead of you, you have to let him turn, even if he was a dick and passed you just before.

    2) Don't pass a line of slow-moving cars on the right just because you are in a bike lane and can see daylight in front of you. Eventually one of them will turn right into a driveway or side street and nail you without ever seeing you. (Many drivers don't want to move into the bike lane to make their turn like they're supposed to because they don't want thugs on bicycles foaming at the mouth pounding their fists on their fenders.)

    Stop calling me names and make some constructive suggestions of your own to avoid this common hazard if you don't like mine.
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    conspiratemus1 has a point; almost all right hooks can be avoided with defensive driving. Take the lane in places with lots of driveways or street parking, and adjust your speed or lane position so you're not beside someone nearing a street intersection (mirrors are great for anticipating this). You'll avoid setting yourself up for the vast majority of right hooks.

    The only close call I ever had involved a bike ninja. I'd just picked up this wheelsucker when he rolled up behind me at the previous intersection, and I was turning right at the next street. I signalled, slowed, and moved slightly left to begin my turn, and then had to abort my turn as I checked my mirror to see that the ninja didn't seem to understand hand signals (shocker) and was continuing at speed to squeak by me on my right, although there was most of the lane still available to him on my left. Passing on the right was a habit of a lifetime for this guy, I'm guessing. He was begging to get right hooked!

    In hindsight, maybe he thought my hand signal meant we were going to start really working the paceline together, and that, fatigued from my 100m effort as we blasted through the downtown streets at 25 km/h, I was asking him to come around and keep hammering.
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    No increase, but the failure to turn out to left or unsafe pass is almost a solid 80-90% with truckers in Ontario. Be responsible you truckers, obviously you know the truck is wider than a car.

    I also doubt anybody deserves to get run over by a truck - what an asshat statement that is. Had you been to an accident where somebody was run over a truck you would keep your mouth ****ing shut.

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    People in Brampton don't know how to drive and act like they have never seen a cyclist on the road before. Despite keeping up with traffic, I get buzzed by trucks and even motrcycles! Cars and police cruisers seem to respect me though. I get a lot more room in Mississauga and Toronto

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParkingTheBus View Post
    People in Brampton don't know how to drive and act like they have never seen a cyclist on the road before. Despite keeping up with traffic, I get buzzed by trucks and even motrcycles! Cars and police cruisers seem to respect me though. I get a lot more room in Mississauga and Toronto
    I saw an article where a cyclist was run over and killed by a grader in Brampton. Really. The grader travels like 40km/h. I don't think police charge him either, probably worked for the city.

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    ^^^Yea, it was on Queen street I think; lots of construction going on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParkingTheBus View Post
    People in Brampton don't know how to drive and act like they have never seen a cyclist on the road before. Despite keeping up with traffic, I get buzzed by trucks and even motrcycles! Cars and police cruisers seem to respect me though. I get a lot more room in Mississauga and Toronto
    Brampton has the third highest accident rate in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suburban View Post
    Brampton has the third highest accident rate in Canada.
    Seriously?.. I don't see many accidents here to be honest; then again i'm stuck in the west side of the city..
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    Truckers and rush hour commuters are far and away the biggest offenders these days. I try to avoid any truck or arterial routes, especially during the evening rush.

    In Burlington, I have found Appleby line between the QEW and 407 to be hideous with the recent road expansion. Truckers are far and away the biggest offenders. Calling them professionals is an insult to the real pros like oh, hookers!

    Don't blame Brampton, blame the licensing and drivers ed systems. My daughter just completed the Young Drivers course and not a thing was mentioned about driving in the vicinity of cyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    Truckers and rush hour commuters are far and away the biggest offenders these days. I try to avoid any truck or arterial routes, especially during the evening rush.

    In Burlington, I have found Appleby line between the QEW and 407 to be hideous with the recent road expansion. Truckers are far and away the biggest offenders. Calling them professionals is an insult to the real pros like oh, hookers!

    Don't blame Brampton, blame the licensing and drivers ed systems. My daughter just completed the Young Drivers course and not a thing was mentioned about driving in the vicinity of cyclists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart View Post
    Not taking the bait.
    Good to see ya back though.
    Assuming you drive, I am not trying to offend, just a comment based on my own experiences. I don't know if Appleby is now used to transition from the QEW to the 407 and people treat it as a high speed transition, but it is still a city street. Watch out for the Samuel guys. Far and away the worst. Must be high speed steel.

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    I know what you mean about truckers. In Brampton, I try to avoid Steeles and Highway 7 (Bovaird). Just horrible...
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    Haven't been buzzed in a while. Three or four times in the summer though, usually on Lakeshore on my way out of the city

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