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    Can you pedal an E-Bike without assist?

    I am a bicycle commuter with a Surly LHT. Its 23 miles RT, and I commute it at least 4 days a week. I do commute with cargo, about 30 pounds worth and I weigh 242. Been doing this for about 2 years, lose 30 pounds and an insulin pump.

    The problem is that while at the office, I often need to go places and in Florida its damn hot and stay in my business-casual attire while doing it. So ideally, I would have a bike I could just commute on, turn ln the e-mode when needed, then turn off for the ride home. Is this possible or are e-bikes too heavy? I do this with the Surly now, or catch a ride with a colleagues.

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    I have an ebike I use for commuting with rear rack, fenders, mid drive motor and front hub generator for lights. The bike weighs in at 55 lbs with empty panniers 75 to 80 when fully loaded. I have a 25 mile round trip commute with 1900 ft of climbing round trip. I have often pedaled the round trip not using the motor. The motor is nice for really bad weather or if I want to get somewhere a little quicker by helping me on the hills. I use studded tires on it in the winter, works great! Obviously it will be heavier than your LHT but I have never had trouble not using the motor and pedaling only, just a little slower.

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    It sounds like you could use two separate bikes. One bike to get to and from work that isn't an e-bike. The other, kept and recharged at work which is electric so you can use to go places once at work.

    If you plan on using just the Surly LHT for the round-trip to and from work and errands while at work, then you'll need enough battery power to cover the entire distance even with you pedaling 23 miles of the total. You have to ask yourself, "How fast do I want to go and what's the farthest I'd need to ride once at work?".

    If you plan on using a 48v 15Ah hub motor setup then you'll be adding another 30 pounds on top of your 30 lbs in cargo.

    Even though you don't have any hills there in Panama City, FL; a mid-drive setup on that Surly LHT may be the best way to go. The Surly LHT is a great bicycle for that purpose and setup.


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    Senior Member wsgts's Avatar
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    I was planning on retiring the LHT, and was looking to purchase a Stromer ST1 Platinum. Anyone has any experience using it as a heavy bicycle?

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    1) Plenty of Stromer owners so you should get some good feedback.
    2) A geared motor front hub kit (some individuals will disagree on this choice) will add a total of as little as 17 pounds (36V, 10 ah battery) which is nicely distributed with a mid mount battery; this should allow 14-16 miles of throttle only travel (depending on elevation changes, wind velocity, weight). It's possible to have a lighter kit if you select components judiciously.
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    Check out the Faraday Porteur, which at 40# is doable without power assist. My over 50# Ohm Urban 700 is okay on level ground with no headwind and no power assist, but realistically I use boost 1 of 4 most of the time, as it is enough power to negate the extra weight of the motor and battery and beefier frame.
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    Can you pedal an E-Bike without assist? The answer is yes to some and no to others... Check, try, ask, before buying, I can pedal mine a BionX kit on my bike just like a regular bike... I would say if you rode it you couldn't tell the difference rides just like a regular bike... Even under assist, it's so smooth you can't tell it's assisting and you can start to think WOW I sure am getting good... As for the sweating part you can choose anywhere from no sweat to all sweat while riding...

    EDIT; You can also use it as an exercise machine if there are no hills around your area you can set it to re-gen and pedal harder instead of easyer...
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    I can pedal my bionx without the assist. And it's not too difficult if I don't have to haul the battery. However, I can't think of many instances where you would have your ebike and not have the battery. As far as sweating? In Florida it's hot and humid enough to sweat just by looking outside from an air conditioned office. I don't see how you get around the sweat issue in the summer time in Florida... it's going to happen even if you're riding in throttle mode only.

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