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Old 05-09-07, 10:01 AM   #26
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Is there some reason you thought there was a race going on?
I think he left out the part where the guy on the ebike gave him "the look" and then began to turn the pedals in anger as the road turned towards the sky and began to twist back and forth on the mountain like string discarded by the Devil himself.
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Old 05-09-07, 11:04 AM   #27
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That's an amusing mental image! I've never seen a Segway out on the streets--the only place I've seen them was in college, where the campus police had a couple that they used on patrol. (I was also on the campus EMS squad and we had the option of using them when on duty as well).
Some old dude was riding one on a paved MUP around here last summer. Riding a motorized vehicle on the MUP is a no-no BTW.
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So many people racing their bikes here on public streets it's scary. You do realize that you're "street racing" right? Your bike is still considered a vehicle and, in Ontario at least, racing against another vehicle and/or clock is considered street racing.
I seriously hope you are kidding.
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DAYUM.

On the way home today an older guy with an electric front hub on his mtb snuck up behind me and dusted me...

I caught up to him at the next light and then went all out (I was on my fixed gear with a 49x16 or 17 gear..) and I beat him to the next light about 1/4 mile down, then he caught up again and I went all out again for another 1/4 mile or maybe a bit longer this time...

He finally caught up to me at the next red and by then I was already overheating lol .. so I let him go and he went another 1/2 a mile down the road and I finally caught up to him at yet another red light... at that point, I asked him if he would let me draft and he said ok so I drafted for another 1/2 a mile and he went a different way than me.....

ouch.

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Ebikers give something fun for roadies to do while on their ride. If you can pass them, it definitely tells you you're in shape! So far I've had two roadies able to keep up, and one actually left me in the dust. I was pretty impressed by the latter (we were on a slight downhill, but still pretty impressive).
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so can i legally tell those segway freaks to get the hell off the MUP?

they seem to have segway training classes around the art museunm here in philthy from time to time (i see them on the way home). they have never gotten in my way yet but i could see if these things increase in popularity they will become a big nuisance.

i don't even undersatnd them. do they even go over 10mph? my nightmare is the day all the lazy people of the world figure out they can clog up the MUP with these things and electric bikes and whatnot.
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so can i legally tell those segway freaks to get the hell off the MUP?

they seem to have segway training classes around the art museunm here in philthy from time to time (i see them on the way home). they have never gotten in my way yet but i could see if these things increase in popularity they will become a big nuisance.

i don't even undersatnd them. do they even go over 10mph? my nightmare is the day all the lazy people of the world figure out they can clog up the MUP with these things and electric bikes and whatnot.
In terms of health benefits (or lack of), there's a huge difference between a segway and an electric bike. On a segway, you're not walking... you're standing there. An e-bike requires you to pedal or at least gives you the option to pedal. So people get exercise in an e-bike. And even more so since they normally would just hop in their car. An electric scooter is more analogous to a segway.

I would love to see more electric bikes out on the MUP. It just means more cyclists in general, meaning more demand for cycling infrastructure in the region and less cars polluting the air. I guess my dream is your nightmare.
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You just gotta drink more whiskey and beer the night before, ala one mr. landis. Then you could smoke those electric bikes
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I was able to out accelerate him, I just could not sustain it forever in that headwind condition !
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Old 05-09-07, 12:00 PM   #34
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So many people racing their bikes here on public streets it's scary. You do realize that you're "street racing" right? Your bike is still considered a vehicle and, in Ontario at least, racing against another vehicle and/or clock is considered street racing.
The moniker of "street racer" is for cars as not many ppl are going to get killed if I get all squirlly on Queen Street on my bike. I somehow think a judge would have a bit of difficulty droppin' 10k fines on alley cat riders. I've seen several EV bikes locked up though have yet to see one moving. I have seen them with batteries removed as well left on the bike.....looks like a PITA to have to lug that cell around. Hey if it gets a whole new segment of riders out there.....bonus, CM is coming for real. The curb lanes are gettin' pretty crowded at rush hour in a few spots.
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In terms of health benefits (or lack of), there's a huge difference between a segway and an electric bike. On a segway, you're not walking... you're standing there. An e-bike requires you to pedal or at least gives you the option to pedal. So people get exercise in an e-bike. And even more so since they normally would just hop in their car. An electric scooter is more analogous to a segway.
That's my big problem with the Segway. The technology is, admittedly, really cool and it can be fun to ride (while on the college EMS squad I took the Segway training that was offered), but do people in this country REALLY need another way to not get any exercise when out and about? I don't think so. I never even ended up using the Segway on any of my shifts, partially because I felt it would be faster for me just to walk/run if there were stairs or other obstacles involved when responding to a call (and this was usually the case), and partially because of the aforementioned philosophical problem with the whole concept.
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Old 05-09-07, 12:10 PM   #36
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Some old dude was riding one on a paved MUP around here last summer. Riding a motorized vehicle on the MUP is a no-no BTW.
Sorry dude, but e-bikes are considered bicycles, and are allowed on MUP's. I don't know about segways.
There is a guy on the forums who is building what amounts to an electric moped. And given how strong he's going to power it, it'll have to be tagged to be legal on the roads, and it would not be legal on a MUP.
But my ol' "pick-up-truck" in my sig below is legally a bicycle, and I would use the MUP's if we had such things here. Not that I could drop anyone on that thing anyhow.
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i have never seen or herd of anyone getting killed by illegal bicycle racing. now illegal street bike racing...different story. i have seen 2 people die in new orleans east.
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well except being blasted by cars
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so can i legally tell those segway freaks to get the hell off the MUP?

they seem to have segway training classes around the art museunm here in philthy from time to time (i see them on the way home). they have never gotten in my way yet but i could see if these things increase in popularity they will become a big nuisance.

i don't even undersatnd them. do they even go over 10mph? my nightmare is the day all the lazy people of the world figure out they can clog up the MUP with these things and electric bikes and whatnot.
Well, I don't know about Philly but the one paved MUP near me has signs at all the entrances saying no motorized vehicles. To me, that means any vehicle with a motor...which certainly includes the Segway. I can see disregarding that for an e-bike but not for a Segway.

I live about 2,000 miles away from where you live though.
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so can i legally tell those segway freaks to get the hell off the MUP?

they seem to have segway training classes around the art museunm here in philthy from time to time (i see them on the way home). they have never gotten in my way yet but i could see if these things increase in popularity they will become a big nuisance.

i don't even undersatnd them. do they even go over 10mph? my nightmare is the day all the lazy people of the world figure out they can clog up the MUP with these things and electric bikes and whatnot.
Not really. Unless there's a municipal bylaw against it.
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The moniker of "street racer" is for cars ...
Should've read my other post. I corrected my error in that one.
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Should've read my other post. I corrected my error in that one.
No fair sneaking back and correcting....
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I seriously hope you are kidding.
the law is of curious thing in kanada

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so can i legally tell those segway freaks to get the hell off the MUP?
I'm not sure, max. AFAIK, in some places there are special laws pertaining specifically to segways and where they can/can't be used.
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I didn't, you just missed the correction that's all.
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but do people in this country REALLY need another way to not get any exercise when out and about?
Perhaps they aren't out-and-about for the purpose of exersizing in the first place? There are other reasons people are going from point A to point B. It isn't hard to imagine a host of reasons people would like to get to where they're going twice as fast without breaking a sweat.
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Hey, if it gets even a minute section of the populace out on two wheels as opposed to being in the car then WE HAVE A WINNER. I have zero issues with e-bikes, if at whatever age you decide to forgo the car and want to get one of these babies, more power to ya. If they are that quick and are willing to offer me up a rest in the way of allowing me a draft....cool.

Just playing Zeuser. Where abouts in miss.?
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Perhaps they aren't out-and-about for the purpose of exersizing in the first place? There are other reasons people are going from point A to point B. It isn't hard to imagine a host of reasons people would like to get to where they're going twice as fast without breaking a sweat.
It's true that they aren't out and about just to get exercise, but in our society everything is set up to eliminate any physical effort from normal daily activities, and that situation just isn't what the human body is designed for. The sedentary lifestyle that is so prevalent nowadays is not healthy; we need to move in order for our bodies to stay in good condition. It would be better for public health if day-to-day transportation involved some physical activity, as it does for people who walk or bike for their shorter trips. Things like Segways tend to discourage this rather than encouraging it, IMHO.
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It would be better for public health if day-to-day transportation involved some physical activity, as it does for people who walk or bike for their shorter trips. Things like Segways tend to discourage this rather than encouraging it, IMHO.
So what? Pie isn't good for you either. You wanna outlaw pie, too? Quit being such a busybody. Other people can make their own decisions about what they "need". You don't have any moral standing to decide what other people "need".
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