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    Quote Originally Posted by magic carpet View Post
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    Hilarious! There's no "Free Lunch" here 350htrr. BionX is not "hiding" another 10mph in the controller. "Want what you have" or "get what you want", just remember, faster means ILLEGAL.
    I'm sure the motor could make the bike go faster than 32KM/Hr no problem, but it's locked down to that level... I was "hoping" that fooling the controller would work but BionX is obviously serious about making it difficult to override the limiter.
    He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination. I do like my beer, so sometimes I do end up leaning on the lamp-post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic carpet View Post
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    Hilarious! There's no "Free Lunch" here 350htrr. BionX is not "hiding" another 10mph in the controller. "Want what you have" or "get what you want", just remember, faster means ILLEGAL.

    ILLEGAL to go faster than 32Km/Hr on an electric assist bike... BUT, I can pedal my bike faster than 32KM/Hr without much problem, so does that make me a law breaker deserving a ticket? EDIT; I have managed 74.4 KM/hr going down a hill that's close to where I live, so is that ILLIGAL?
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    He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination. I do like my beer, so sometimes I do end up leaning on the lamp-post...

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    You might try clicking the (-) button until a bike is displayed in the console. Now you are pedaling on your own as you did before. Take more than a few moments to appreciate your purchase and to marvel the invention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knurly View Post
    You might try clicking the (-) button until a bike is displayed in the console. Now you are pedaling on your own as you did before. Take more than a few moments to appreciate your purchase and to marvel the invention.
    Oh, I appreciate and just love my BionX, it's the Law I'm basically b****ing about... EDIT; Judging by the number of times this thread has been looked at, a lot of other people seem interested in removing the limiter too...
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    He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination. I do like my beer, so sometimes I do end up leaning on the lamp-post...

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    That, or "just pedal faster" lurkers trying to hold their tongues. The law is there for a very good reason.
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    There were some 'workarounds' with some earlier BionX models. The newer ones are locked up pretty tight and its illegal for any dealer to give a customer access to the diagnostic programs used to program or alter the system.

    Which is actually in your best interests. Currently the government requires neither a permit nor insurance to own and operate one of these. That's directly related to the performance limitations and safety features built in. Why spoil a good thing?

    Yeah - I can do 50kmh on an unpowered bike too. That's still illegal in a 20kmh zone or a 30kmh zone - which is what all bike paths and most secondary streets are limited to anyway. So where's the problem?

    Speed and power usage aren't directly proportional anyway, so a 20% increase in top speed is far more likely to drop total atonomy by 50% then just by 20%.

    Be happy! Here in Montreal a 45km trip using an ebike still takes me an hour less than the same trip using a regular bicycle because the average speed is higher. Headwinds and hills seriously affect unassisted cyclists - ebikers aren't affected the same way.

    EDIT: And should I mention that speeding tickets on an ebike or bicycle are fairly inexpensive? And that modifying an ebike so that it will exceed the legal speed limit for ebikes removes it from that classification? Which could result in a whole slew of other charges - all of them expensive - because you're now driving a motor vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    There were some 'workarounds' with some earlier BionX models. The newer ones are locked up pretty tight and its illegal for any dealer to give a customer access to the diagnostic programs used to program or alter the system.

    Which is actually in your best interests. Currently the government requires neither a permit nor insurance to own and operate one of these. That's directly related to the performance limitations and safety features built in. Why spoil a good thing?

    Yeah - I can do 50kmh on an unpowered bike too. That's still illegal in a 20kmh zone or a 30kmh zone - which is what all bike paths and most secondary streets are limited to anyway. So where's the problem?

    Speed and power usage aren't directly proportional anyway, so a 20% increase in top speed is far more likely to drop total atonomy by 50% then just by 20%.

    Be happy! Here in Montreal a 45km trip using an ebike still takes me an hour less than the same trip using a regular bicycle because the average speed is higher. Headwinds and hills seriously affect unassisted cyclists - ebikers aren't affected the same way.

    EDIT: And should I mention that speeding tickets on an ebike or bicycle are fairly inexpensive? And that modifying an ebike so that it will exceed the legal speed limit for ebikes removes it from that classification? Which could result in a whole slew of other charges - all of them expensive - because you're now driving a motor vehicle.
    In Quebec, the new 6D license allows anything that goes up to 70 kph, electric or not. So this means even if I get that license to LEGALLY ride an e-bike over that ridiculous 32 kph limit, I still legally can't, or have to go through the pedestrian process of DIYing a microcontroller to remove that speed block from my Bionx... Something I've purchased but am kept from modifying no matter what!

    This is tech despotism, nothing else. Bionx or any other company who does that don't deserve a dime.

    The laws basically make it so that the only motorized transports with SERIOUS speed capabilities are fossil fuel-based... Why am I surprised.

    So "ILLEGAL"? I'd rather say "ILLOGICAL".
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    Tech despotism? Funny. Super cars are limited to somewhere around 160mph, and they could go quite a bit faster in many cases.

    You can pedal as fast as you want, nothing is holding you back. Bionx probably has a LOT of pressure to make their computer tamper-proof.

    Note that their new D motor, in an Ohm XS750, is not limited to 20mph (32kph). That is for trail use in sport mode, at least for the demo model I rode yesterday. I'm afraid that the final product will get the "guv-nor" on it again.
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    I think BionX is missing the boat with this speed limiter thing... Most other companies selling these type of kits now have a choice, road legal, or of off road setting... Boo BionX...
    He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination. I do like my beer, so sometimes I do end up leaning on the lamp-post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by profstack View Post
    Tech despotism? Funny. Super cars are limited to somewhere around 160mph, and they could go quite a bit faster in many cases.

    You can pedal as fast as you want, nothing is holding you back. Bionx probably has a LOT of pressure to make their computer tamper-proof.

    Note that their new D motor, in an Ohm XS750, is not limited to 20mph (32kph). That is for trail use in sport mode, at least for the demo model I rode yesterday. I'm afraid that the final product will get the "guv-nor" on it again.
    There are +1 kw e-assist systems you know? But like supercars, they're expensive. Yeah, governments allow rich people to ride cars that can outrid police cars in 2 seconds.... As they allow them to do many other things that's the point.

    And that tech despotism seems to give a waiver to cops as well, as in some cities their Bionx'es can go much faster than 32 kph. And I believe that's the TRUE reason why Bionx ar pressured to block the 3773 code. I can think of the same old fossil fuel conspiracy in the industry also (i.e. what's the use of scooters when e-assist bikes can go almost as fast?), but perhaps this is too insane to be legit.

    Beyond the speculation, if anyone can actually show me HOW removing the speed limit is "illegal", then prove it, or stop supporting disinfo. If bike dealers are not given the codesmto do that, and told of it being illegal as an excuse, that's one thing. But having an actual LAW that states they cannot be modified beyond 32 kph, that's another.

    So what article says that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 350htrr View Post
    I think BionX is missing the boat with this speed limiter thing... Most other companies selling these type of kits now have a choice, road legal, or of off road setting... Boo BionX...
    I think Bionx will allow you to go faster than 20mph (32kph) on the XS750, if the computer is set to sport mode (or whatever it might be called). For off-road applications, of course.
    Last edited by profstack; 07-29-14 at 11:16 PM.
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