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Old 05-31-07, 05:52 AM   #1
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eBike videos

When eBikes in Ontario became legal, an Ottawa newspaper made THIS VIDEO which is worth watching to answer some quick questions.

There's a few youtube videos on eBikes as well which I will post links to in the upcoming days.
Post some of those videos if you have 'em.
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Old 05-31-07, 08:18 AM   #2
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Talking

I'm really interested in electric bikes. That was a good video. 20mph would be fine by me for assistance during a commute.
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Talking e-bike videos

heres one

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJqVRO5zUkA

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Here's a few more eBike videos on Youtube:

REALLY COOL MUSIC VIDEO OF KMX TRIKE WITH BIONX
ONBOARD A KMX ELECTRIC TRIKE
KMX ELECTRIC TRIKE IN THE SNOW
GO ELECTRIC: BIKE COMMUTING MADE EASY
EBIKE VS CAR COMMUTE
NANO ELECTRIC FOLDING BIKE

And I love this one because my own eBike is a mountain bike

MOUNTAIN EBIKE VS 2 CONVENTIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKES

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Old 07-06-07, 09:25 PM   #5
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I added a new one on youtube: ONBOARD MY BIONX EBIKE ON A PAVED TRAIL IN THE WOODS
And another one: ONBOARD MY BIONX AS I CHASE DOWN A MTB

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Hi, cool video I play with bikes like that sometimes, its better to stay behind them coughing and making noises! ha ha it really gets them going! how fast does the Bionx go? 30mph on my bike is easily good enough to see off even the best of local cyclists however those tour de france riders can do 45-50mph on the flat!! X5 at 72V would be needed!! ha ha, could you have overtaken this guy?

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Hi, cool video I play with bikes like that sometimes, its better to stay behind them coughing and making noises! ha ha it really gets them going! how fast does the Bionx go? 30mph on my bike is easily good enough to see off even the best of local cyclists however those tour de france riders can do 45-50mph on the flat!! X5 at 72V would be needed!! ha ha, could you have overtaken this guy?

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He was only doing 32 km/h or something close to that. When I pulled up behind him I was doing 38 km/h and still accelerating. I had to back off.

I actually did pull away from him a bit later on but my camera's memory filled up. Keep in mind that this isn't with a camcorder; this is with a 5.0MP digital point and shoot in video mode. I used the Canon digital Elph SD30 as seen here:



So my 2.0GB SD card filled up because I didn't delete the morning video as I was heading into work. a 2.0GB card will only hold about 47 mins of 640X480 video from the SD30. Too bad really... the passing was nice because I pull up along side him and you probably could've heard me say: "...Passing...". And later on when I got to an intersection I pointed the camera the other way and said :" see that little speck down the road... that's him.". Of course I didn't notice the camera had stopped recording though. Grrrr....
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Hi

Yes I use a little canon for all my movies as well, nice and small and very rugged, I must go out and do some chase videos, there just isnt many bikers around here, I sometimes see one out on the open road and its so much fun, I know its totally unfair but its still fun.

At 72V on my puma I can chase and beat mopeds easily, even at 48V I can beat most gassers less than 125CC from a dead start up to 20mph or so! so cyclists I normally leave alone and give them plenty of room, some folks are quick on normal bikes though, I can push 25mph peddling on my electric bike as well on a nice flat road.

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Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39...-jour-de-greve
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Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39...-jour-de-greve
Nice, but I wouldn't try some of those maneuvers in the USA. You might find a limb missing...
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One of the most astounding things about that video is it just highlights the complete prominence of cycling in most other countries in contrast to North America. In the average 20-30 minute ride here, I see less cyclists than there are in 90 seconds of that video, less even.

A lot of them are kids/men on mountain bikes with no helmet, no safety lights or reflectors, riding on the sidewalk and carrying no racks/gear with them. Over here, cycling isn't seen as something for both pleasure and utility. Its almost entirely recreational, and there's generally a great fear of even attempting to traverse the roads.
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I'm really interested in electric bikes. That was a good video. 20mph would be fine by me for assistance during a commute.
In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8
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Nice, but I wouldn't try some of those maneuvers in the USA. You might find a limb missing...
Actually, a girl got creamed in Paris not long ago doing exactly what he did there, barely squeezing by the right of a large truck that's moving in the right most lane, right next to the street corner on a narrow street.
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Filtering is great, but if you don't know how to do it and you make a move like that, its asking for an early obituary. I hope she made it, at least.
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Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39...-jour-de-greve
Man, that is awesome! Whoever is on that bike has some serious guts. No fear whatsoever...

Anyone know what kind of bike/motor/etc it is? Seems to be moving pretty quick...
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In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8
I can't normally spend so much time watching videos, but this one is a treat. Good commentary, nice scenery, and about .4 AH/ mile. Good work ...
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In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8
That is a great video man. I would absolutely love to ride there. You are living the life!

What kind of bike/motor/batteries/etc are you using in that video?
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That is a great video man. I would absolutely love to ride there. You are living the life!

What kind of bike/motor/batteries/etc are you using in that video?
Thanks,but since I set the worlds record climbing the steapest road in the world to 10.005 ft on electric battery power,ebikes are now Illegal in Hawaii.The garage made alternator motors I made for my ebikes and the 3 speed system is still a 1 of a kind that only I use to check the surf or go up mountain trails around my home where the road trip video was taken. So far there has been much interest to produce such a complete ebike but still 0 funds.I hate business LOL .. and jelous people hate me and my heavy 65 lb Huffy ebike that goes 45 mph on the flats..
Other things I do to keep busy and have fun..
http://theshaperstree.com/hawaii/draper.asp
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Old 11-16-07, 10:47 AM   #19
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.. and jelous people hate me and my heavy 65 lb Huffy ebike that goes 45 mph on the flats..
err...no. People "hate" you because you're obnoxious and you irritate them.
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err...no. People "hate" you because you're obnoxious and you irritate them.
Its not so much hate as it is annoyance. I find Hawaii's motor to be pretty neat, and his knowledge in electronics to be present, but the way he comes on here to denounce all other creations to be pretty pompous, and I get this almost anti-cycling vibe from him with the way he talks about cycling businesses being shut down or how spending money on a good bike is a waste.
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Somebody talking to themselves again??? LOL...
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All I know is if he can get a cheap 65 pound Huffy to do 47 mph with his motor, then I want that motor/battery/controller/etc.

Seriously, EbikeHawaii, how much do you want to make me one of those conversion kits? How much for 6 of them?
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All I know is if he can get a cheap 65 pound Huffy to do 47 mph with his motor, then I want that motor/battery/controller/etc.

Seriously, EbikeHawaii, how much do you want to make me one of those conversion kits? How much for 6 of them?
Personaly I am not making any more ebikes and have never made any kits.For 50 grand you can have the whole shop with instructions.LOL Some day my record setting Huffy ebike alone may sell for that on eBay.
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I don't have 50 grand...

I just need a conversion kit to add an electric motor to a regular bike, and you seem to have the the best motors around.

Why not sell them? I need 1 right now, and 4 more in a couple months. You could probably make a good living out of this. This market is going to take off soon. I wish I had the 50 grand to buy your shop with instructions. You're sitting on a potential gold mine.

Oh, and why the heck are e-bikes illegal in Hawaii? You should be emailing all the state reps, the news, all the activists, etc on that one...

Anyway, seriously, think about selling me a conversion kit. I can put it on the bike myself...
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I don't have 50 grand...

I just need a conversion kit to add an electric motor to a regular bike, and you seem to have the the best motors around.

Why not sell them? I need 1 right now, and 4 more in a couple months. You could probably make a good living out of this. This market is going to take off soon. I wish I had the 50 grand to buy your shop with instructions. You're sitting on a potential gold mine.

Oh, and why the heck are e-bikes illegal in Hawaii? You should be emailing all the state reps, the news, all the activists, etc on that one...

Anyway, seriously, think about selling me a conversion kit. I can put it on the bike myself...
It's Political as usual.

"Aloha Randy
Thank you for your letter spelling out what happened when the Leg caved into the Segway people and how it has set back advancements in
alternative transportation. This year I will introduce a bill to repeal
HB 843 (2003 SLH)and to restore the law the way it was. I feel this law was the result of a very questionable relationship set-up between Segway and government. Thankfully the House has changed quite dramatically since those days and I am hopeful that my new colleagues will support doing away with this blatant protectionist Segway law. If you have any language or other information that may have that I could submit to our drafting agencies that would be very helpful. Hopefully I can get support of the others you e-mailed as lobbying will be very important in getting this to happen.
Sincerely, Angus
Representative Angus L. K. McKelvey
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Subject: Fw: Re: Legalize elecrtic bicycles


----- Original Message -----
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Aloha Randy>
This acknowledges the receipt of your email. However, we are unable to provide any comments. The Division of Motor Vehicles and Licensing functions to execute laws that are Legislated. We recommend that you contact your Legislative Representatives.

DMVL management "Randy 9/15/2007 11:47 AM >>>
To whom it may concern, At least write me back stating your views.
As far as transportation is concerned.Helping in any way to relieve automobile congestion should be considered and NOT be thrown into the trash. A recent change in the "motorized bicycle" and bicycle laws now make electric bicycles illegal in Hawaii. Until I believe 2002 Maui
and Hawaii had a great law in place that included a electric bike or motorized bicycle to be registered as a bicycle and included in the definition.Now all of Hawaii and New York are the only places in our nation that electric bikes are illegal.Most people have probably never heard of electric bikes.With modern technology a 20 lb bicycle can fitted with a 5 lb electric motor along with a 7 lb battery pack in the frame that make up the light weight 32 lb Bike. These electric bicycles can go at bicycle speeds for 20 miles without pedaling or go for 30 miles with pedaling if you want to work
up a little sweat for a work out to increase the range. For each
additional 7 lb battery just add on another 20 miles of no pedaling range or a range of 25 to 30 miles with light to moderate pedaling. In most countries around the globe millions of electric bikes are sold and used for affordable and efficient transportation. If you want to
see legal Ebikes I made that went up Haleakala when they were legal or see electric bikes for rent or sale in the "Ripcurrent Cyclery" store
across the street from Longs Drugs in Kahului (or other underground electric bike dealers in Hawaii. Dealers that probably have no idea that
electric bikes are illegal in Hawaii since President Bush signed a low speed vehicle law and description as a consumer product (being a electric bike) in 2002 These examples as well as 1000s of more types of electric bicycles that exist to allow clean transportation without toxic admissions by using the sun and wind as the source of power. Batteries can easily be charged in any home or office socket or by a small solar panel or wind turbine at home.How many cars could be eliminated off the roads and hotel parking lots if employees had electric bikes to go to work at lets say to Kaanapali from Lahaina or Napili and back ? Not to mention the savings at 20 cents a charge for
a 1 hour 20 mile round trip. The bottom line is lets get these worlds most efficient machines on
out on our unused bike lanes and provide a alternate to myself or anyone that otherwise has to drive there gas guzzling Ford needlessly. One of these agencies must be able to find the pre existing 2002 "motorized bicycle" law.What happened to this one ? It appears the
older law and amended proposal was omitted and replaced with this law.
"Bicycle" means every vehicle propelled solely by human power upon
which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, and including any vehicle generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels except a toy bicycle. Since this revision (below)above took place after Segway transporters were lobbing every state in the USA to become legal and the below.
BILL FOR AN ACT appears to be a Amendment Bill after the fact that "motorized bicycles" were eliminated from the description of bicycle and Segway electric transporters were added on in a new classification and eliminating all electric bicycles and other electric vehicles that could be used as island wide transportation in the bikeways.Of course at a slower pace than a car but a much more affordable and cleaner concept especially when auto traffic is gridlock and you only need to go a few miles without sweating or sweating about getting to work or home on time..
"Motorized bicycle" means a device with two tandem wheels that is
propelled both by human power and by an internal combustion engine or a battery powered motor. If battery powered, it has a maximum of one thousand five hundred watts (two horsepower); if powered by an engine it has no more than two horsepower (fifty cubic centimeters), an
automatic transmission, and a maximum design speed of not more than twenty-five miles per hour on a flat surface unassisted by human power.Amends the statewide traffic code by defining and regulating the
operation of motorized person transporter platforms, motorized
bicycles, and electronic personal assistive mobility devices.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES H.B. NO. 834
TWENTY-SECOND LEGISLATURE, 2003
STATE OF HAWAII

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A BILL FOR AN ACT

This is what the pre 2002 electric law was close to and would it would
be excepted to get Ebikes back on the road LEGALLY for EVERYONE'S benefit.

Please Get this revision or the preexisting electric bike law back IN
this next up coming legislative session .
Setting a precedence in positive use of electric bicycles will createa
diversified economy and a way for residents and visitors to get around
without wasting gas or money. There is a lot that can done in terms of affordable transportation and eco tourism without road modifying if
Ebikes were legal in Hawaii.
Aloha, Randy Draper
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86533935376595

This is where the real fun is at... But the ebike can get me there in a few minutes to check it out. You may even find Laird out at "The Bay" on a small day. If your lucky his wife Gabrielle Reece will be watching and gabbing to you.LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vkwy2vdP4
http://www.sports-wired.com/women/Gabrielle_Reece.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74609955831313

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