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Old 06-24-07, 04:35 PM   #1
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EV elevation climb record happens to be on a ebike.

On a 72 mile round trip I average 20 mph up a 10,005 foot Volcano and back to the beach.I used less than 300 watt hours of human pedal power while using 1500 watt hours of battery power.
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=562
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Old 06-24-07, 10:17 PM   #2
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Open Access Article Originally Published: August 23, 2003
Wow, it's like going back in time!
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Old 06-26-07, 02:47 PM   #4
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Wow, it's like going back in time!
No electric vehicle has beat the elevation record yet! So the record IS current!
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Old 06-26-07, 06:15 PM   #5
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Big fish, small pond...
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Old 06-27-07, 02:12 PM   #6
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Big fish, small pond...
Nice floor scrubber video!
Try a real scrubber motor!
http://www.electracross.com/Video/12-TireTest.mpg

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Old 06-27-07, 06:12 PM   #7
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Nice floor scrubber video!
Try a real scrubber motor!
http://www.electracross.com/Video/12-TireTest.mpg
Floor scrubbers? Electric motocross bikes?
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Old 06-28-07, 02:09 AM   #8
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Floor scrubbers? Electric motocross bikes?
Floor scrubbers are where most etck motors are used.a 15 hp motor weighs less than your ebike hubmotor and are more efficient.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/25/83144/9066

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Old 06-30-07, 10:12 PM   #9
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How come I can't find your record in the Guiness Book of World Records?

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Floor scrubbers are where most etck motors are used.a 15 hp motor weighs less than your ebike hubmotor and are more efficient.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/25/83144/9066
Are you going to lace a wheel straight to an Etek? The real weight difference would be the hub motor weight, minus the weight of the stock hub and shorter spokes, compared to the Etek itself, motor mounts, chain, sprockets and anything else you have to add such as chain gaurds etc. I would guess the Etek after all is said and done, is 5lbs heavier. And don't forget that a 15hp motor will require extra strength in the frame, spokes and rim.

Besides, would a person that cares about efficiency really be putting a 15hp motor on a bicycle??
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Old 07-01-07, 03:09 PM   #11
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Are you going to lace a wheel straight to an Etek? The real weight difference would be the hub motor weight, minus the weight of the stock hub and shorter spokes, compared to the Etek itself, motor mounts, chain, sprockets and anything else you have to add such as chain gaurds etc. I would guess the Etek after all is said and done, is 5lbs heavier. And don't forget that a 15hp motor will require extra strength in the frame, spokes and rim.

Besides, would a person that cares about efficiency really be putting a 15hp motor on a bicycle??
If they did care about efficiency climbing hills with a large load they might consider it.
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^ I still can't find anything about your volcano climb in the Guiness Book of World Records? I've found documentation that the event took place and that you made it to the top in 4th place, but can't seem to find anything besides what you've claimed with regards to this being any kind of EV world record?

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^ I still can't find anything about your volcano climb in the Guiness Book of World Records? I've found documentation that the event took place and that you made it to the top in 4th place, but can't seem to find anything besides what you've claimed with regards to this being any kind of EV world record?

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your warped imagination is all you have? Too bad.
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^ The above answer from Randy is pretty much what anyone can expect from a serious inquiry to any one of his claims. I've seen this on several other boards already. Don't be conned by Randy.

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Old 07-02-07, 05:23 PM   #15
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^ The above answer from Randy is pretty much what anyone can expect from a serious inquiry to any one of his claims. I've seen this on several other boards already. Don't be conned by Randy.

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This is just a letter from the race organizer stating that you were there and completed the coarse within the indicated time. Nowhere in the letter do I read any reference to any kind of 'record'. That's your own conclusion, and your personal conclusion doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by any recognized authority that I can find.

I would be less surprised to find the three team Mavic riders in the Guiness Book of World Records as they beat a guy with a 1584Wh advantage using only their own leg power.

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Old 07-03-07, 05:27 PM   #17
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This is just a letter from the race organizer stating that you were there and completed the coarse within the indicated time. Nowhere in the letter do I read any reference to any kind of 'record'. That's your own conclusion, and your personal conclusion doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by any recognized authority that I can find.

I would be less surprised to find the three team Mavic riders in the Guiness Book of World Records as they beat a guy with a 1584Wh advantage using only their own leg power.

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Yes bicycle riders can do the trip every day but there has not been ANYONE else to make such a climb on any ELECTRIC VEHICLE at any speed.
Iguess you can't understand the difference between a bicycle and a electric battery powered vehicle.
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Yes bicycle riders can do the trip every day but there has not been ANYONE else to make such a climb on any ELECTRIC VEHICLE at any speed. I guess you can't understand the difference between a bicycle and a electric battery powered vehicle.
If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

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If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

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Yes that guy should be ashamed of being the cause of this, right again Mr. Hatfield, you're on my team for sure.
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If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

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You are misgiuding others in YOUR misguided asumtions.
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Not really Randy. Bobby Kapveld is actually your pal 'krushnoi'. The 'krushnoi' handle seems to have dissappeared along with that thread he started trying to accuse me of being a troll. I try to avoid threads like that.

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Old 07-05-07, 04:47 PM   #22
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Not really Randy. Bobby Kapveld is actually your pal 'krushnoi'. The 'krushnoi' handle seems to have dissappeared along with that thread he started trying to accuse me of being a troll. I try to avoid threads like that.

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There you go asuming again.
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I just assumed that you were going to get ebikes legal in Hawaii again. Should I not have done that?

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If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

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Yea im so ashamed that three of the worlds best mountain climbing bike racers beat me by less than 4 minutes on there 9 lb $7000 bicycles after I waited 20 minutes for them on my 150 lb ebike I rode for the first time..LOL If I get ebikes legal again lithium packs will be a little more refined.It may take me less than a 40 ah lithium pack to do the same trip with the same ebike in 2 hours instead of 3 hours. Then there will be a new Lithium Ebike standard for anyone to beat.If they can? (with the same amount of batteries)

http://www.cycletothesun.net/agegroup%2003.html

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This bickering is doing nothing for the advancement and popularity of e-bikes. Please people be productive. Everyone is allowed their own opinion. There is no need for people to act like children. I personally would love to see more e-bikes everywhere, no matter what shape or form. As long as the rider is having fun. It would be better to have a spirit of comradeship.
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