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    New Izip

    Hi

    Just won my first electric bike on ebay.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...EOIBSA:GB:1123

    Its still a little cold outside, but lets hope it gets lots of use. I am hoping to collect it on Saturday.

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    Welcome to the club. I assume it doesn't come with batteries? $397 is not a bad price at all.

    You should look into getting a 24v 20AH lithium battery for it. Lithium lasts a long time as long as you take care of it properly. It's more expensive than SLA but trust me, it's worth it.

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    Oh, I guess it does come with batteries. Probably SLA. Have fun with those and if you still like the bike after all that, look into lithium. If you take care of those batteries and they are new, they could last you 2 yrs probably. Lithium lasts 5 yrs or more, though. Most SLA batteries only lasts 1 year. It might not have the distance you want, also. A 24v 20AH lithium pack would get you 20 miles or more.

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    Welcome, Seven Hills. I think you'll love your new e-bike. I added the Currie conversion kit to my 21-speed mountain bike last summer. I chose the Currie kit because it has excellent torque (I retired to the far northern US Rockies) and an excellent price. I absolutely love it. I'll be building a 2nd (24V 20AH) battery pack using Thunder Sky LIFEPO4 cells. I plan on building an ABS case for it that will slide into the rear rack battery mounts. My SLA still works and it doesn't do too badly but I pedal and reserve the electric motor for the hills. I've gone 25 miles and still had juice in the battery. However, if you don't pedal you'll probably only get around 7-9 miles with SLAs. One forum that you may want to check out that has a lot of Ezip and Izip owners is www.ecoforumz.com--go to the e-bike, e-scooter section. Have fun riding your new e-bike.

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    Hi

    Would a new battery be interchangable, so if I need extra milage I could use both?
    Here in the UK, this is an ex Tesco bike, sold for 589, but 400 elsewhere; altho they are out of stock at the cheaper price.

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    Yes, new batteries are interchangeable. The only thing you need to worry about is putting too many volts on the bike because your controller has a max voltage that it can handle and if you go over that, you will fry the controller. You can put as much capacity as you want, though. Capacity is the volume of the battery, like the fuel tank. If you have a 24v10AH battery pack, the "10AH" is the capacity. I have a 36v20AH battery pack on my bike. My controller handles up to 72v, though. I'm not familiar with your bike but I would guess that maybe 36v or 48v is the maximum voltage that you can use. You might ask around. Or go to this forum and ask them what they think is the max voltage:
    http://endless-sphere.com/forums/vie...ea2f19dfa9a687

    The more voltage you put on it, the faster the bike goes. The more capacity you put on it, the farther it can go.

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    Looks to me like it's designed for 24v. With a production kit like that, I'd be very cautious about overvolting. Get a 24v20ah lifepo4 battery and dump the SLA's at your first opportunity. You'll be far happier with the weight and range. Probably a touch faster, too. If you want to jump up to 36v, it might handle it, or it might burn up. For an inexpensive kit, stick to the 24, especially as you're in UK and they have more stringent laws about max speed, etc.
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    Hi
    Just got the bike, I am surprised at how heavy it is. Thought it would be just like an ordinary bike.
    I like the big chunky tyres tho.
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    Batteries, motors, chunky tires, it all adds up fast.

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    Hi

    I thought I was buying a UK legal pedal assist cycle, BUT.
    I have bought a
    IZIP MOUNTAIN TRAILZ

    MOTOR - 450W of power from a DC Earth Magnet Motor BATTERY - EV Rated SLA Type Rear Rack Mounted 24V / 10AH Pack.

    So I will need to sort out insurance to be UK road legal bike. Uk laws state 200w motor.

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    does UK really enforce the 200w rule? Before you go paying for insurance, you should ask other UK'ers what they are doing. I doubt the cops are going to bother with a little electric bike. I'd be surprised if they do but I live in the USA. Go ask on

    http://endless-sphere.com/forums/

    I wouldn't buy insurance if I were you. I doubt anyone is going to care. You're at 24v so you aren't going to go all that fast and even if you are caught with a 400w motor, I doubt the cops would even know and 2nd, I doubt they would care as long as you aren't going faster than about 25 mph. Racing bikes can go 30 mph just on pedal power alone.

    Find any and all stickers that say 450w and remove them from the bike. There, problem solved. They aren't going to request forensic team just to find out what motor size it is.

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    Hi

    I did ask the ebay seller what size motor, and he said there were no stickers saying. And I am not one to break the rules, but its that thought of, what if.
    Might be ok.

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    With only 24v, you will probably top out at 32kph/20mph (I believe 20kph/16mph is the limit in UK). You clearly won't be going extraordinarily fast for a bicycle. Just pedal along with the motor and you'll be okay. Just don't tell the cops I said you could do it.
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    If this is a Currie bike built for the European market, I suspect the motor isn't the 450W MY1080Z. (The 24V MY1080Z motors range from 250W to 450W and look alike, heck the 36V versions are indistinguishable from the 24V versions). Currie would be none too happy if someone is reselling North American versions of their e-bikes that don't comply with the strict e-bike power limits imposed by the EU. Complain loudly to the seller if he/she didn't provide you documentation and paperwork. They could be in hot water if they're really skirting EU regulations.

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    Hi

    Well thats good to know that it might be legal. But if it was not, what would it be classed as?
    What would be compulsary, helmets, insurance or maybe mot.
    Disabled scooters, are they regulated?
    I dont mind paying a 100 or so to get it legal. I do have an ex copper friend that I will chat with soon.

    It says made in China, for the USA, I thought it was made in the USA.

    I thought it would come fitted with lights, but no. Perhaps I could get a rear light to run from the wires in the rack, the front might be ok with a good LED. Too many wires for a fitted front light.

    S
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    I don't know about the regulations in UK, but if it goes beyond the limit in the US (depending on the state, we all have different regulations), you'd need headlight, tail light, directional lights, brake light, probably other features to make it street legal. That said, my bike is entirely illegal in New York. They are entirely banned, though there is legislation in the works that would change that. I still ride just about every day. Then again, I know that Europe is older, more densely populated and infrastructure was based around pre-automobile transportation. When we get visitors they are always surprised by how far apart everything is, and how we have to drive everywhere. Bikes are far more common there.
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    Hi

    The only thing that worries me about riding a non-legal bike, is will any action affect my driving licience.

    S

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenhills View Post
    Hi

    The only thing that worries me about riding a non-legal bike, is will any action affect my driving licience.

    S
    Sevenhills,

    Are regulations and documentation concerning licensing of vehicles online? If so, I'd search through those and have some information in hand, then confirm with the licensing authority directly. UK online e-bike vendors advertise that their products don't require licensing or insurance. You might contact one of those retailers by e-mail and ask them if they can provide a cite to regulations and statutes that exempt those e-bikes that meet EU standards (partial list below, there are some additional restrictions that limit the voltage and weight of the motor--all to keep legal e-bikes low speed).
    * Continuous motor output is maximum 250W
    * Motor can only assist when pedals are being used to pedal, i.e. moving in "forward" direction
    * Motor output must gradually be reduced to zero when the e-bike approach a speed of 25
    km/h
    * Motor output must stop when brakes are used
    Good luck.

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    Hi

    I think that I might need a new battery! After a full charge and a short journey, red light and not much power. It was sold as a new ex Tesco bike, but the battery had makes/grooves from being rubbed by the wheel.
    And its just clicked, that if the battery case is marked from the wheel rubbbing, then it cannot be new, at least the battery is not new.
    It does say in the manual that 3 full charges may improve its performance when new???

    S

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    Not surprising. SLA's die if they sit around for too long. Anyway, you got lots of options for batteries. SLA, LIPO, NIMH, NICD, and LIfepo4 are all options for you.

    If you are only using 24v, I'd go with some lifepo4. Shouldn't be much more expensive than SLA's and they are a hell of a lot better.

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