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Old 10-15-10, 06:37 PM   #1
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LifePO4 only in China - Why?

I will need to save up for a few month to get a LifePO4 battery. Everything I read talks about getting them from China. Why is this?

Isn't there any American companies making these batteries?

I maybe lucky to get one for Christmas as a gift.. but if so, the buyer cannot wait 3 months for a battery to ship. Also, i would trust an American made battery more.

I know LifePO4 is a brand name and the batteries are really only Lithium Phosphate batteries, but does any American company sell them?

(opps typo in the subject.. China not Chine, sorry)
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Old 10-15-10, 07:47 PM   #2
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Well the cost of buying lifepo4 from USA is about 3 times the price from china
(currently the only company in the US that makes the batteries..A123 systems)
Guess where 95% of the world's lithium supply is found?
(I'll give ya one guess.)
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Old 10-15-10, 07:50 PM   #3
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Ad a general rule, if you buy one of those "duct tape" lifepo4's from eBay, you can spend an extra $50 and have it sent in about a week or so, as opposed to two months.
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Old 10-16-10, 09:00 AM   #4
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Good info Sangest, thanks. Can you tell me more about this "duct tape" lifePO4 battery? I am not sure what you are referring to.
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Old 10-16-10, 09:41 AM   #5
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Isn't everything made in China these days. There are a few companies which stock LIPO4 batteries in the US, even though they are made in China. Generally their shipping times and shipping costs are less than those shipped directly from China. Foxx batteries is an example of such a company. They sell on ebay as well. People have had mixed experiences with their customer service. However, their battery comes in a hard case, not duct tape wrapping.

I have one of their batteries, which I have had for 2 years without any problems.
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Old 10-18-10, 12:32 PM   #6
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LifeBatt sells batteries made in USA from cells made in Taiwan.
I bought their HPS pack over 3 years ago and it still work as new, even it feel stronger.
Three summers and 2 winters, sometimes in minus 15Celsius, through heat over 30 Celsius.
It is 36V 10 Ah battery.
As I rule I don't run this pack almost never to full dischsrge, usually never more than 50% DODischarge.
There are incredible, pack cost 750 dollars,
as with everything
YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR.
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Old 10-20-10, 11:34 AM   #7
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My "ping LiFePO4 48v15ah V2.5" (standard size from his website-300x105x150mm) arrived in a week after ordering it directly from his website.
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Old 10-20-10, 12:18 PM   #8
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NOT everything is made in China nowdays.
All over world there are manufacturing facilities.
ELECTRIC Vectix scooter made in Poland, first class chargers bRUSA made in aUSTRIA .

Taiwanese company PSI made one of the best LiFEpO CELLS IN THE WORLD and they offer them for sale in small samples, not so expensive really.
Just Google:
Phoenix Silicon International and start oppening those links.
If you want your cells to last do not USE THEM at max or close to max of their specs.
Ping is maximum 3C so you have to carry lot's of waight with you if you draw 35A.
You cannot just use 10Ah ping if you draw even 25A on dayly bases.
3C is 30A , if you want cells to last you would draw 20A max from Ping cells in 10Ah setup.
You can say HEADWAY make LiFEpO CELLS IN cHINA AND THERE ARE GOOD, not at all , they have at least 30% rejection rate on QC check, that is radicioulus, I think.
Taiwan manufacture culture is close to German manufacture culture, the reject rate is less than 5% on PSI cells,
just check it out and report here.
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Old 10-26-10, 06:00 AM   #9
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Well the cost of buying lifepo4 from USA is about 3 times the price from china
(currently the only company in the US that makes the batteries..A123 systems)
Guess where 95% of the world's lithium supply is found?
(I'll give ya one guess.)
Chile hsa 80% of the worlds lithium supply according to the table halfway down the page on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium
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Old 10-26-10, 07:21 AM   #10
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you are talking raw Lithium metal.
To make a quality consistent quality cell you need technology, automated machines, cleaness.
There will be years and years before China will have three things mentioned above.
As I read on ES forum one in 3 Headway/one of the biggest Lithium cells manufacturer in China/ cells only meets specs.
Guess what happens with all rejected cells? Of course they are built into packs.
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Old 10-26-10, 08:24 PM   #11
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"The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan...including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium."

maybe there is reason to the madness (war)
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you are talking raw Lithium metal.
To make a quality consistent quality cell you need technology, automated machines, cleaness.
There will be years and years before China will have three things mentioned above
Oh really?

What do you think China is? A chop shop in somebody's back yard? No, it's a huge country with a billion people. If there's money in it, you'll find people with technology, automated machines and cleanliness making batteries there.
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Old 10-27-10, 06:01 AM   #13
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I like using Thunder Sky cells because while they are made in China they are sold and inventoried here in the USA. Not to mention they are pretty fair cells and they aren't an arm and a leg price wise. I pay $120 for a 6 pack of 20ah 2C cells. http://elitepowersolutions.com/produ...products_id=74 I currently run 2 24v 20ah packs.
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Old 10-27-10, 07:29 AM   #14
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lChina is in transition but it is comunist still, lot of tech came from Soviet Union.
also attitudes came from communist system, I lived for over 30 years in such system.
How many years they lived in strict comunism?
That is where attitudes come from.
please, put China in historical perspective, China has now "head on capitalism- get rich fast " period.
and you want somebody to invest in machnes, keep process clean, they don't have time for this!!
first you must change attitudes of "bismesmen".
Also regulations taxation kills business are similar to Russia which is in transition also.
It takes plenty of time.
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Old 11-08-10, 10:59 AM   #15
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Yeah, the question asked in this thread is really a political question.

If I were to really dig down deep and try to answer your question; I might open a can of worms on a forum that was never intended for political debate.

Let me try to answer this question in the shortest manner I know how.

Watch this full length documentary. After watching it, if you still want to know more, then ask me. I'll post a few more docs.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/118169/the-corporation
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The price may be cheaper... buy the risk is big you loose your money. I've ordered a 25Ah 48V LifePO4 battery at Asian-Resources.com and had the bad luck customs checked the package. No labels, nor UL or CE, nor user or safety instructions shipped with the battery and loader... bye bye 500$!!! I've send several emails but in the end they don't answer anymore. Let me know if you had the same experience!
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Old 05-29-13, 04:41 PM   #17
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Axelvdb, that last post by Witt78 is more than 2.5 years old.

If you want a great LiFePO4 battery without any shipping worries then you need to order from Ping at http://www.pingbattery.com
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"LiFePO4" is a chemical abbreviation, "Li" stands for one atom of Lithium, "Fe" for one atom of iron, "P" stands for one atom of phosphate, "O4" stands for four atoms of oxygen (O^4). It may be true that someone has at least tried to use that abbreviation as a brand name but they won't get far with trying to keep other battery makers from using "their brand name" as well due to the fact that it is the actual chemical formula for how that battery chemistry works.

That said, I know some LiFePO4 battery cells are made in Taiwan and I've heard rumors of South Korean made cells as well although I have yet to actually see one with my own eyes that was labeled as having been made there. This is the company I have been buying my cells from and the kind of cells I have been buying (not packs, single large prismatic cells with screw on connector poles that you wire up yourself) Yah, their made in asia but the company is in the US and so is the warehouse they ship from:

http://www.batteryspace.com/LiFePO4-...Batteries.aspx
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Batteries in stock in California: http://balqon.com/store.php#!/~/cate...&sort=priceAsc
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Do a little more research. Which country is sponsering its mining interests to opperate in Afghanistan?

. . . right, China.
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I have been using these for about 6 months now.

Like them a lot. Easy to make custom packs out of these cells.

Price is right too !

http://www.batteryspace.com/LiFePO4-...thout-PCM.aspx
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