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Old 08-13-12, 01:18 PM   #251
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so guys anyway I was thinking about the rear rack thing, and there is another alternative to fitting a proper rear rack, and that is to use a thing called P-clamps,

you can attach the p clamps to the rear forks, and then attach the rack onto that.. and use one of those seat post mounted eyelets devices and attach the other end of the rack onto that?

so what do you guys thinks? will that be ok? then I can buy that rear rack that EbikeFL recommended.. and that should solve the problem?
YES!!!! That will work! When your finally ready to tighten the rack down use blue loctite on the threads and use a nylon locknut. Get the thickest P-clamp you can fit around your rear fork. You may be able to double the thickness of the clamp by taking the rubber covering off one and put two of the metal strips under the rubber covering together.
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Old 08-14-12, 01:15 PM   #252
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hi all,

for all you papamotor users, what is the maximum range you have done with the kit..

I may have to relocate on my job, and the total journey would be near the 30 mile range?

is that possible?

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for all you papamotor users, what is the maximum range you have done with the kit..

I may have to relocate on my job, and the total journey would be near the 30 mile range?

is that possible?

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What's the new route look like? Hills? Mostly flat roads? You'd better get the front fairing then.

You saw my last few posts...I was averaging 30+ mph for 21.7 miles and using 12.27 Ah all on flat roads. If you used two 48v 15 Ah batteries you could make the commute at max speed and have energy left over to make a few short errands. Of course, you'd have to recharge twice a day. You could do it with one battery but you'd have to lower your speed to say 20 mph with some lite pedaling.

SiXiam has been awfully quiet these past few days...almost like he received the Papamotor kit that was shipped. SiXiam...you out there???? Did you receive the kit and are not telling us?

By the way, getting the mail from a distant mail box has never been so much fun now with the e-bike!!!
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SiXiam has been awfully quiet these past few days...almost like he received the Papamotor kit that was shipped. SiXiam...you out there???? Did you receive the kit and are not telling us?
Not much to update. Last tracking update for the motor was that it was in China on the 8th. Rear rack is supposed to be here on the 18th. One of my amazon orders with a lot of accessories will be here tomorrow. The battery order (from bmsbattery) has become a pain. They sent me an email yesterday saying they need an additional $20 for freight because they can't ship the battery via Fedex. I ordered on the 5th, so it took them over a week to tell me this. I paid it, but to me it feels scammy (if that's a word). It still hasn't shipped yet. The last message says it will "soon".

Hopefully I can get everything together by the end of the month. I don't want to buy a September bus pass...

edit: just got battery tracking info, which is shipping out of Hong Kong.

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Not much to update. Last tracking update for the motor was that it was in China on the 8th. Rear rack is supposed to be here on the 18th. One of my amazon orders with a lot of accessories will be here tomorrow. The battery order (from bmsbattery) has become a pain. They sent me an email yesterday saying they need an additional $20 for freight because they can't ship the battery via Fedex. I ordered on the 5th, so it took them over a week to tell me this. I paid it, but to me it feels scammy (if that's a word). It still hasn't shipped yet. The last message says it will "soon".

Hopefully I can get everything together by the end of the month. I don't want to buy a September bus pass...

edit: just got battery tracking info, which is shipping out of Hong Kong.
Well, that's good news about the battery. If everything arrives before the end of next week you should be able to be up and riding by the end of the month.

Are you planning on using the stock tires? Both with the bike and the kit?
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Well, that's good news about the battery. If everything arrives before the end of next week you should be able to be up and riding by the end of the month.

Are you planning on using the stock tires? Both with the bike and the kit?
I'm going to run the stock tires until I get some winter tires.
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They say NEVER charge an battery unattended, especially don't charge and go to sleep. No problem charging in the house, just never be more than a few yards away. sorry to hear that.Hope you ebike is ok...Lifepo4 is suppose to be a safer chemistry. Dangers of Lipo batteries can be seen on utube video.


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Thanks for the video link. It totally explains the white smoke that I saw, why the fire extinguisher didn't put out the fire, and why the fire grew so quickly once it ignited.

I will be dropping out of the forum for now, as my focus has been diverted to other things for now.

Thank you all for sharing your passion for e-bikes. I sure enjoyed your input.

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Thanks for the video link. It totally explains the white smoke that I saw, why the fire extinguisher didn't put out the fire, and why the fire grew so quickly once it ignited.

I will be dropping out of the forum for now, as my focus has been diverted to other things for now.

Thank you all for sharing your passion for e-bikes. I sure enjoyed your input.

Please learn from my mistakes.
We'll be here, Dhoward. When you're ready to get back on an e-bike let us know. I have some extra parts and I'm sure others do too. We can all chip in to get you back riding. Take care.

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DHoward, you did prove that having the Papamotor front wheel hub motor kit was possible and capable of been ridden.
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Well, the Shimano 180mm Ice Tech rotor won't fit on the rear hub. I don't know what I was thinking. The inner diameter of the 180mm isn't even big enough not to mention the bolt pattern is 44mm versus the 48mm Papamotor disc adapter pattern. I'm on the lookout for a 180mm disc with a 48mm bolt pattern and an inside diameter of 38mm.

If someone were to invent an adapter that would allow a 44mm disc on the hub motor they would be the hit of the e-bike community.
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A very BIG idea has come to me regarding the rear brake disc. SiXiam and Spirit733t, if you have your rear stock wheels off or can take them off and then take off the rear brake disc you each have. Would you please take a picture of the rear of each of your brake discs for me and post it on this thread. I think there's a way we can use our stock 44mm hole pattern brake discs on the Papamotor hub motor. I am going to get an adapter made for me so I can use any size 44mm hole pattern brake disc. What this means is we could have the option of using either 180mm or 203mm size discs instead of just 160mm! If we were to have a 180mm or 203mm brake disc along with hydraulic brakes we would have SUPER braking power!

I have attached a picture of the rear of my Shimano 180mm Ice Tech brake disc for a reference of what I'm looking for:
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that adapter doesn't make a 180mm or 203mm compat with each other, they are used to get rotor to your 44mm hub, for a 203mm rotor to fit, you need to find 203mm rotor for a 44mm hub. I'm not sure what the industry standard bolt pattern is for the 6 bolts, it might bre the 48mm size.

If you have 160mm disc now and want to use a 203mm disc you need something like this, to move the caliper out;

http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_...ucts_id=600271

I'm sure you can find a 203mm disc for 44mm hub.
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I just google 44mm disc rotor, and it looks like the 44mm is international standard, anyway here is a sample rotor for 44mm @203mm rotor


http://www.bikebling.com/Shimano-6-B...6bolt203mm.htm
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Thanks, chi6er.

The image I posted isn't the adapter. I will be using some of the measurements from the Papamotor adapter (not pictured) and some measurements from the Shimano Ice Tech rotor to make a new adapter. The new adapter will have 44mm spaced holes versus 48mm. I've got the necessary measurements to two different CNC shops for quotes. I'll end up selling a few to defer the setup cost if it goes over $100.
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I know you already got a Shimano ice tek disc, I assume 48mm bcd, why not just buy a 44mm bcd 203 disc , which should bolt on and I still think you need an adapter(for a 203mm disc from 160mm) to space out the caliper, and save $100 setup fee.
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I know you already got a Shimano ice tek disc, I assume 48mm bcd, why not just buy a 44mm bcd 203 disc , which should bolt on and I still think you need an adapter(for a 203mm disc from 160mm) to space out the caliper, and save $100 setup fee.
You're killing me, chi6er. Our Papamotor will not fit a disc with 44mm hole spacing only 48mm. There's an adapter that is thread in the center which has the six 48mm holes. A new adapter must be made in order to use any size 44mm spaced disc.

Here's the Papamotor adapter which must be used whether it be 48mm or 44mm, only if I want to use a 44mm disc I have to make a new adapter.

I already have the 180mm front and rear post extensions. In fact, I already have the front rim, tire, and hydraulic brake working. The Maxxis Hookworm tires are so big...the front tire will nearly touch the rear.
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What's the new route look like? Hills? Mostly flat roads? You'd better get the front fairing then.
its mainly flats with some hills not too steep really.. the location is not guaranteed yet.. so this is not so urgent yet..

about your disc brakes rotor size, I have noticed that alot of bikes that do have the larger rotors only have this on the front wheel, the rear rotor is generally a standard 160 mm, so you may only have to change the front one saving lots of hassles I think..

I think with myself Im gonna go with the 160 mm for now, and then later on see if this is sufficient for my needs, most braking happens in the front, so its probably best to only change that perhaps???

on your advice I have been looking at fairing, and I contacted the contact that you gave me and they recommended the following to me:



personally I like it and will probably go for it.. what do you guys think?

oh yeah one last thing, heres another idea for a rear rack .. a bit over the top.. but its quite cool

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oh yeah forgot to add, I really want to get this seat in he future, its a brooks saddle with springs, no need for rear suspension bikes lol



what do you think of spring saddles, do they work, any thoughts on brooks saddles?
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about your disc brakes rotor size, I have noticed that alot of bikes that do have the larger rotors only have this on the front wheel, the rear rotor is generally a standard 160 mm, so you may only have to change the front one saving lots of hassles I think..

I think with myself Im gonna go with the 160 mm for now, and then later on see if this is sufficient for my needs, most braking happens in the front, so its probably best to only change that perhaps???
The speeds our 48v 1000w motor gets us too makes using the 160mm rotor useless. The rotor and pads get so hot and unable to dissipate heat that braking distances are HUGE. Now, imagine your going full throttle and the traffic light ahead of you changes. You have to apply full brakes both front and rear in order to come to a stop and not ride into oncoming traffic. What if you can't stop in time? What are your options besides going off the road into trees, brush, homes, yards, etc?

Now imagine the same scenario with groceries and books such that the weight of the bike has increased so you now have more mass to bring to a complete stop.

I have a first hand experience in the above situations. Believe me, the 160mm rotor is a death sentence waiting to happen.

Also, what about in the future when you decide one Ping battery isn't enough and you want to increase your riding distance. Here again you'll be bringing more and more weight to a complete stop. I don't think the 160mm rotor will do you any good.

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personally I like it and will probably go for it.. what do you guys think?
That particular fairing is good for one thing...keeping your hands from freezing when the temperature drops. It does cut wind resistance down in the center of your body/bike but a bigger fairing will be better at higher speeds. It is also a lot less expensive than the bigger fairings. If you do witness higher wind speeds in your area for a majority of the year then it would also be a better choice than the Thriller model.
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oh yeah forgot to add, I really want to get this seat in he future, its a brooks saddle with springs, no need for rear suspension bikes lol



what do you think of spring saddles, do they work, any thoughts on brooks saddles?
Brook Saddles are nice but I don't own one because it would take the look of my e-bike back to the 60's. Here's a full-suspension model that I've been looking at very closely and will probably get it if the Hookworm tires don't give me enough of a cushion. http://www.amazon.com/Serfas-Suspens...I3IWNFRXKL7TP1

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The rotor and pads get so hot and unable to dissipate heat that braking distances are HUGE.
I never knew they got so hot, actually there have been a few times I have cycled on the main road, then some parked car idiot just opens their door without looking properly, Ive had to emergency brake a few times, sometimes it has been close!!!! so many muppet drivers out there..

can you recommend me the exact fairing that I should get then please?

jeeze you papamotor users are so lucky.. im so jealous.. cant wait....
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can you recommend me the exact fairing that I should get then please?
Go with the Thriller model...that's the one I have and I've had no problems. When you talk to Karl ask him for the EBikeFL setup. If you and SiXiam plan on riding during the winter then ask Karl if he can make projections of the fairing to cover your hands as well.

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Just wait until you get on the road. I've had people pull over and watch me pass so they can get a glimpse of what I was riding. When I notice people looking at my e-bike while I'm at speed I sometimes intentionally slow my pedaling down to a very slooooow rotation. You should see the looks on their faces! They can't seem to figure why I'm going so fast and yet pedaling so slow.
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If you really want to mind *** them, pedal backwards!
Nice!!! I never thought about doing that but I would have to flip the PAS disc to make it work for a long stretch of pedaling.

Apache Thunder, have you done any riding at night? If so, what model lights have you been using?
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Ahh you have one of those pedal assist sensor thing-a-ma-jigs. I just have a twist throttle on a mid-drive system since my pedal crank chain wheel also freewheels, I can pedal backwards and it wouldn't effect my bike's forward movement via the motor.

As for the light I'm using a Wal-Mart bought Schwinn light. It's not very bright though. It was something I got back before I had gotten the e-bike kit.

I've seen some LED lights that go upwords of 1000+ lumen but haven't found any that don't cost a fortune. Any suggestions on LED based headlights that are super bright but also cheap? I'm sure there's special adapters that would let one mount a flash light to the bike, but that's tacky as hell and I want to avoid that.

I also have the 36v LED headlight that went with my ebike kit when I originally bought it. If I put it back on I plan to put it on it's own separate power supply. I don't want to risk having any wires going out side the battery box that could expose the battery to direct shorts via water and such. (even though it now has a fuse in the circuit, I still won't do it)

My battery will only power one thing and that's the motor.

But the thing is, I will soon put the front detachable basket back onto the handle bars. This means when ever I have it attached (for example carrying groceries), it will obstruct headlights. I will need one of those extender bars. But that's yet another part I have to buy.

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Any suggestions on LED based headlights that are super bright but also cheap?

But the thing is, I will soon put the front detachable basket back onto the handle bars. This means when ever I have it attached (for example carrying groceries), it will obstruct headlights. I will need one of those extender bars. But that's yet another part I have to buy.
Great lights will be expensive. I just invested in a 1000 lumens light and will pick it up tomorrow. I hope it illuminates the road ahead of me when I'm doing 30+ mph. The light will need to travel through my front fairing which wasn't a problem with a flash light I had in the house so I hope it won't be a problem with the bike light.

You can't carry your groceries in panniers off the rear wheel?

Spirit733t and SiXiam, do you plan on riding at night?
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