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    Quote Originally Posted by fizbiz View Post
    Thanks for the response Julie, but it is working just fine. I never actually measured my speed. I just thought there was a limiter based on a previous post (prob for a different kit).
    Hi fizbiz,
    Sorry for my mistakeI misunderstood it.
    Yes,you are right.
    We have another controller with a speed limitor.
    When you plug that speed limit cable,the speed can be limited to 20Mph or so.
    Usually we send the speed limitor controller unless customers required to get a speed limitor one.
    Your controller is a standard one,there is no any limit when you drive it.
    Please don't worry about it
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    Would installing the limiter require a different controller or can I just add it inline?

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    The Speed controller is built in to the controller. So you would need a new controller.
    May your feet keep move'n with the wind to your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CigTech View Post
    The Speed controller is built in to the controller. So you would need a new controller.
    CigTech, have you come up with an e-bike setup for your long work commute? Spring will soon be there in Ohio and the oil prices are going through the roof right now. If you're still using a truck to get to work it must be costing you a small fortune. You could have your e-bike paid off just by all the fuel costs you'd save.

    A 48v 1000w Papamotor setup with two 48v 20Ah Ping batteries would do the trick. You wouldn't have to buy gas or make other auto related payments for years!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fizbiz View Post
    Would installing the limiter require a different controller or can I just add it inline?
    Hi,
    You can't add the speed limitor by yourself.
    Yes, @CigTech is right.
    If you need such a speed limitor function.
    You have to get a new controller with speed limitor fucntion.
    Pelase don't try to DIY a limitor on your current controller.
    Thank you

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    Hi Ebike,

    I'm thinking the Mid-Drive 450 watt. Has very good low end power and top end speed due to useing the bike gears. Alone with two 20 Ah batteries (maybe three will see). Have not order yet but will.
    May your feet keep move'n with the wind to your back.

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    OK so I just got the Cycle Analyst CA-DPS with the Shunt-SA converter (http://www.ebike.ca/store/photos/Shunt-SA.jpg). I have questions on connecting this to my battery and controller.

    I'm thinking of attaching 4 Anderson Powerpole connectors to the shunt so that I can easily connect/disconnect it to the existing Anderson Powerpoles on the Ping battery and Papamotors controller. But I'm not quite sure which Anderson Powerpole I need.

    Looking at this: http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-po...owerpole-sets/, it seems that size wise I should get the PP15/30/45 which measures 0.33" by 0.97". But the highest rated one is rated for 45 amp. Is that sufficient? According to Papamotor's website, the maximum discharging current is 60 amp. Also, the 45amp connector there is recommended for use with 10 gauge wires...where as the ebike.ca shunt is 12 gauge -- is that an issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy5001 View Post
    OK so I just got the Cycle Analyst CA-DPS with the Shunt-SA converter (http://www.ebike.ca/store/photos/Shunt-SA.jpg). I have questions on connecting this to my battery and controller.

    I'm thinking of attaching 4 Anderson Powerpole connectors to the shunt so that I can easily connect/disconnect it to the existing Anderson Powerpoles on the Ping battery and Papamotors controller. But I'm not quite sure which Anderson Powerpole I need.

    Looking at this: http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-po...owerpole-sets/, it seems that size wise I should get the PP15/30/45 which measures 0.33" by 0.97". But the highest rated one is rated for 45 amp. Is that sufficient? According to Papamotor's website, the maximum discharging current is 60 amp. Also, the 45amp connector there is recommended for use with 10 gauge wires...where as the ebike.ca shunt is 12 gauge -- is that an issue?
    Hello, Sammy5001.

    You've got the right powerpoles. I bought the black and red set with 45 amp contacts. The kit also comes with locking pins. If you're going to switch out the bullet connectors then you can also get the individual housings and contacts to match the color and size of the wires. The contacts are cheap so I purchased about a dozen in each size that would fit the 15-45 amp housing.

    It's hard to see but the ebike.ca shunt has markings on it telling you what wires connect to what wires off the controller and battery. You have to look carefully and you'll see the words "Batt" and "Cntr" or something very close to that on the top and bottom of the flat portion of the shunt.

    You'll want to seal (waterproof) the CA's housing once you have everything tested and working properly per ebike.ca's instructions. The wires out the back of the CA is where water got through on mine when the clamp loosened and exposed the back to rain. I used 3M's Super Weather Strip Adhesive on the CA's housing halves and where the wires entered the back. I also used it on the wires coming out of the hub motor axle. It's great stuff only be careful not to press hard on the tube otherwise you'll never get it to stop pouring out. Also, make sure you have enough slack in the CA's wires when you turn the handlebars completely from one end to the other. You don't want any tension pulling on the CA's wires which will also expose the CA's internals.


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    Thanks EBikeFL! Now I just need to wait for my Amazon orders...can't believe Home Depot didn't have any of these.

    I really like the tube connector that connects the battery and the charger. Anyone know the name of this type of connector? I find it much easier to attach and detach than Anderson Powerpoles and it "feels" more robust. So I was thinking of using that to connect between the controller and the battery.

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    Oo n/m. I found that it's called XLR connector
    Reading up a little on those...it appears they're only good for low current usage so won't work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy5001 View Post
    Oo n/m. I found that it's called XLR connector
    Reading up a little on those...it appears they're only good for low current usage so won't work here.
    Yes,it's called "XLR connector "

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy5001 View Post
    Thanks EBikeFL! Now I just need to wait for my Amazon orders...can't believe Home Depot didn't have any of these.

    I really like the tube connector that connects the battery and the charger. Anyone know the name of this type of connector? I find it much easier to attach and detach than Anderson Powerpoles and it "feels" more robust. So I was thinking of using that to connect between the controller and the battery.
    You are having way too much fun, Sammy5001. Just imagine your Papamotor e-bike will be unique and you'll know exactly how to repair it and replace worn components (mostly tires) when the time comes. You'll also have fun making upgrades here and there.

    What region of the country will you be using your e-bike? Update your profile settings to include the city/state you live in; heck, you may be right around the corner from me.


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    EBikeFL: I'm actually all the way on the other side of the country: sunny (and cold) San Francisco CA!

    OK I just had the Cycle Analyst installed and while I was at it...of course I had to do a little mod

    I got an M-Wave topbox and managed to put everything, including all connections, inside the box.

    The battery is also easily removable now. To remove the battery, I simply disconnect a single power cable and off I go. To use, I just drop the battery bag in and connect that single power cable. This is great for me because it allows me to remove the battery which lowers the weight of the bike significantly and thus allow me to easily lift it onto a shuttle bus.

    My only complain is that it's not super easy to attach/detach the Anderson powerpoles. I'm still looking for a better alternative...

    And of course, here are the pics!

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    Wow, you did a terrific job organizing all the components. I really like the M-Wave container; especially, the side latches. You can plug the holes you drilled for the zip-ties using the 3M weather strip sealant I mentioned earlier although you probably don't see much rain in San Francisco, CA.

    I used these velcro ties to organize the cables in my setup: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product

    The Anderson connectors will become easier to remove after a few months. They just need to be broken in.

    You may want to try some balloon tires such as the new Schwalbe Big Apple to ease the vibration from the road. They come in a 20" size.

    Are you riding your e-bike on the San Francisco streets or do you have bicycle lanes there? Are you using any products to stay visible to the road traffic (tail lights)?
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    Sadly most roads in [downtown] SF don't have bike lanes...but I'm used to weaving through traffic anyway . The good news is south bay has bike lanes everywhere near where I work which I do most of the ebike commuting anyway (from shuttle or Caltrain to work).

    Speaking of lights... I'm planning to make good use of that 0.5A power cable that taps out of the CA-DPS. I'm looking at the ebike.ca Luminator which is "driven at 0.75A" and requires power input of 10W and DC voltage range of 15-100V. But my battery is 48V. Then if I plug the Luminator into the CA-DPS 0.5A power output cable, will it (1) draw 20V from the battery to maintain 10W power, OR (2) draw 0.2A at 48V to maintain 10W of power? In either case, as long as 10W is supplied to the lights, then it will achieve its 1000 Lumens "driven aat 0.75A".

    In other words, the Luminator *will* work if I plug it into the CA-DPS 0.5A power output cable yea. Does what I just said make any sense? lol. I just want to confirm before I blow anything up
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy5001 View Post
    In other words, the Luminator *will* work if I plug it into the CA-DPS 0.5A power output cable yea. Does what I just said make any sense? lol. I just want to confirm before I blow anything up
    Yes, ebike.ca's lights are meant to be used with that power cable so you shouldn't have any problems. In my case, I didn't want any additional power drains on the Ping battery other than the hub motor so I went with the XML-3 from DiNotte Lighting (http://store.dinottelighting.com/din...ight-p174.aspx). I use the XML-3 all the time now not just at night. During the day I have the strobe feature on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EBikeFL View Post
    Anyone heard of Papamotors?

    They have a 48v 1000w electric bicycle conversion kit for $999 using a 48v 15Ah LiFePO4 Ping Battery. http://www.electric-bikekit.com/862-...eeks-delivery/
    An nice (Better?) alternative is the USA based AmpedBikes.com.

    USA designed products custom built in China.

    Advantages:
    USA based shipping and support.
    Good prices.
    Complete kits - come with a 6 month warranty!
    Intelligible support personnel.
    A variety of front, rear, geared and non-geared motors.
    Multi-voltage capable controllers.
    Good Q&A on their home page
    An open forum! With comments, questions, discussions etc.

    Disadvantages:

    No large or "bargain" priced Lithium packs!
    36V 10Ah Lithium battery sounds impressive but pricey?

    Most impressively...


    "All of our kits go through an 8 point rigorous testing procedure before they are shipped to you in order to provide you with a flawless kit ready to install
    1. All wheels are trued within .03.

    2. All spokes are tightened to exact torque specifications.
    3. All connections are soldered and thoroughly checked.
    4. All components you will receive are tested together as one unit in order for us to be 100% sure that all of your components work perfectly together.
    5. All wheels/motors are bench tested under heavy load for 1 hour and under no load for 1 hour.
    6. All Switches and connectors are plugged in , unplugged looking for any problems.
    7. All switches and throttles are tested extremely thoroughly to insure that you get where you are going.
    8. We check the motor cutoff micro switches embedded in the brakes to insure that you have a safe ride.
    Once all of this is complete. we box up your kit, Run through a checklist, it is signed and put in your box and shipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrkAngel View Post
    An nice (Better?) alternative is the USA based AmpedBikes.com.

    USA designed products custom built in China.
    DrkAngel, where were you 11 months ago. Actually, Papamotor's 48v 1000w kit has been terrific and their customer service has been A+. The only problem I've had was the controller and they replaced it at no charge. In fact, they never had to remind me of their warranty. I have always received a helpful reply even when it meant Papamotor would have to pay for the replacement. I don't get this level of service from stores around my neighborhood!

    Ping also replaced the charger I was having problems with at his expense even though I was a month out of warranty. Papamotor and Ping have me as a life long customer as a result of their great products and fantastic service. The performance of the Kona Lanai has also been exceptionally good.

    I would think that all the long distance vendors would go through a rigorous testing procedure and quality check. The shipping charges to send replacements back and forth would add up and therefore change the quality assurance procedures very quickly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EBikeFL View Post
    DrkAngel, where were you 11 months ago. Actually, Papamotor's 48v 1000w kit has been terrific and their customer service has been A+. The only problem I've had was the controller and they replaced it at no charge. ...
    I would think that all the long distance vendors would go through a rigorous testing procedure and quality check. The shipping charges to send replacements back and forth would add up and therefore change the quality assurance procedures very quickly.
    The cost of replacement shipping, from China, isn't much of a factor.

    By international agreement the country of origin collects postage.
    Sadly, China subsidizes all shipping for exports.
    That is why shipping from China is typically free or extremely cheap.
    Return shipping from US to China is often more expensive than original shipping ... and the price of the item ... combined!
    China really appreciates the economic benefits of a positive balance of trade.

    The postal service of the shipped to countries receive nothing for delivery.
    Probably a large contributor to USPS woes and troubles.
    Prevalent in Europe and Africa is the addition of Import Duties as a manner of paying for in country delivery costs.

    So, for your own good, please investigate the cost of return shipping!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrkAngel View Post
    The cost of replacement shipping, from China, isn't much of a factor.

    By international agreement the country of origin collects postage.
    Sadly, China subsidizes all shipping for exports.
    That is why shipping from China is typically free or extremely cheap.
    Return shipping from US to China is often more expensive than original shipping ... and the price of the item ... combined!
    China really appreciates the economic benefits of a positive balance of trade.

    The postal service of the shipped to countries receive nothing for delivery.
    Probably a large contributor to USPS woes and troubles.
    Prevalent in Europe and Africa is the addition of Import Duties as a manner of paying for in country delivery costs.

    So, for your own good, please investigate the cost of return shipping!
    I've shipped many items to China and it's not an issue. There is no rush and no mandatory method of shipping to China. I chose the slowest, least expensive method.

    Even if the shipping costs where subsidized for a Chinese company the cost of sending a new part at say $5 shipping to 10,000 customers would total $50,000 and that's just shipping charges. That's a pretty big chunk of change for any company to just throw away. It's therefore a good idea for a Chinese company to have a good set of quality procedures if they plan on staying in business. AmpedBikes is just stating the obvious regarding their quality checks...nothing to be impressed about.

    The USPS woes and troubles have nothing to do with shipped to countries receiving no money for deliveries. It's the USPS retiree obligations and the drop in first class mail due to online banking, online advertising, etc. that's the major cause of it's current problems. The first two paragraphs under "Health Benefits" in this Bloomberg article explain the reason. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...9-billion.html).

    I did find AmpedBike's Q&A webpage very interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EBikeFL View Post
    I've shipped many items to China and it's not an issue. There is no rush and no mandatory method of shipping to China. I chose the slowest, least expensive method.

    Even if the shipping costs where subsidized for a Chinese company the cost of sending a new part at say $5 shipping to 10,000 customers would total $50,000 and that's just shipping charges. That's a pretty big chunk of change for any company to just throw away.
    10,000 customers at $1000 a pop vs a 10% replacement ship at $5 each would be a $5000 dent in a $10,000,000 Ka-ching. ???

    Not even a dent, or a scratch ... maybe a slight itch?
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    If Ampbikes are sure about quality why only 6 months warranty?
    wheels trued ??

    Those 3LEDs controls are useless as Lithium battery meters. Very approximately.
    Throttle pretty on-off action ,
    I tried those kits , price tells it all
    your standrts must be pretty low for ebike if you advocate this.

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    Lightbulb AmpedBikes.com

    The USA based AmpedBikes.com, after testing every available manufacturer, started by selling Golden Motor products, unfortunately, wheel - spoke quality proved "less than adequate".
    Soo ... the owner visited China and negotiated units to be built to his higher standards.
    Now, after improving designs constantly, and holding several patents, the present offerings are vast improvements over anything the Chinese were marketing.

    Expanding constantly, AmpedBikes has more than 60 authorized dealers in the US, + more in Canada.
    Now, has dealers in Europe and has just began producing custom units for the Japan market.

    PS - "AmpedBikes New Zealand is now up and running!"
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    of course they are expending , for prices they sell....many non-tech, low tech standards customers will buy.

    But seriously 6 months warranty says it all.

    it IS all about what are your standards.
    See USA Chris King components in the ad on this page?
    on one end is Chris King on other end crap.
    but this thread is about PAPAMot
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    Chris King doesn't produce any eBike components! ... ???

    What are you talking about ...
    Chris King's
    Chicken Fajitas???
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