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Old 08-01-12, 06:57 PM   #176
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I think they (FedEx) put it together and are riding it around. It'll be nicely broken in when it gets to you.

So....are you gonna let me, Spirit733t, kd5ete, and dhoward ride it?
Sure! We can even meet Spirit733t halfway, across the Atlantic ocean.
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Sure! We can even meet Spirit733t halfway, across the Atlantic ocean.
Actually, I thought we could all meet up and go to the Barnett Bicycle Institute (http://www.bbinstitute.com/index.php) together. It's not cheap to take all three major classes (~$6,000) which would take us almost a month and includes room and board. We'd know everything about bicycles and then some after we finished the school.

What do you say, Spirit733t? Would you like to come visit us here in the States?
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hi all,

yea id love to come to the states one day, here in england some english dude won a gold in one of the bike races, and there seems to be a mad resurgence in people cycling...

btw how much do you think you are saving now per year, by not using your car?

costs such as gas/ petrol, insurance, actual cost of car, servicing, parking and fines..

and yes when I finally get the kit, im gonna rip it open lol..

and the cost of petrol/ fuel/ gas is £1.70 per liter or £7.50 per gallon, that is approx $12 dollars per gallon...RIP OFF BRITAIN
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hi all,

yea id love to come to the states one day, here in england some english dude won a gold in one of the bike races, and there seems to be a mad resurgence in people cycling...

btw how much do you think you are saving now per year, by not using your car?

costs such as gas/ petrol, insurance, actual cost of car, servicing, parking and fines..

and yes when I finally get the kit, im gonna rip it open lol..

and the cost of petrol/ fuel/ gas is £1.70 per liter or £7.50 per gallon, that is approx $12 dollars per gallon...RIP OFF BRITAIN
I just used some average figures for insurance, gas, repairs, parking fees, etc. and came up with about $4,000. I didn't drive much before my e-bike so for many people that amount would be conservative. In addition, I own my car and many people still make payments on their vehicles so you would have to add a few thousand more to that figure.

I also used to make major performance upgrades which had me spending over $10,000 a year. I finally realize I've wasted a lot of money. Money I could have put into an e-bike and an e-trike.
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The new Papamotor replacement controller just arrived...I should be up and running tomorrow.

Papamotor must have spent a small fortune in shipping to get it too me this fast. Their customer service is fantastic!

I also received my new hydraulic brakes and larger brake disks. The spokes also arrived so I can start the wheel builds.

I've spoken to John Holmes of http://holmeshobbies.com/ about doing a group wheel build if the rest of you are interested. In fact, since we have several Papamotor buyers/users we should keep in mind that we could save a lot of money if we looked into group purchases. If you see something that works for you and would also benefit the rest of the Papamotor users then look into setting up a group purchase. I'm sure you guys could get a group discount on the cargo cache if you wanted to go that route. The cycle analyst is the other item that would be nice to save on as a group buy.
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@ sixiam,

hey man, please do post as much information of your build with pictures please..

@ ebikefl

hows the new controller? can you give me link again where you bought your cargo case please..

what do you all think about having high powered bike lights to go with your bikes, for a front light theres the magic shine ( over 1000 lumens) and for the rear a hope district rear light ( 80 lumens = very bright for a rear light)
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hows the new controller? can you give me link again where you bought your cargo case please..

what do you all think about having high powered bike lights to go with your bikes, for a front light theres the magic shine ( over 1000 lumens) and for the rear a hope district rear light ( 80 lumens = very bright for a rear light)
The new controller works with the rear tire off the ground. There is a problem with the lights on the thumb throttle not lighting up; however, this is perfect. Now, the lights won't give me away. I was planning on using a permanent marker and coloring over the lights since I have the Cycle Analyst. I'll take the e-bike for a spin in a few hours and test it on the road. I still have to install the traffic light sensor.

The cargo cache can be purchased from this website: http://www.otivia.com/

Later today I'll post the materials you'll need to modify it to my same setup.

As for lights, don't forget that the Cycle Analyst has lights that plug into it. Ebikes.ca has new dual intensity lights. If you don't use their setup you can check out: http://www.jetlites.com/complete-systems-a-51/ which has received very good reviews.
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Old 08-04-12, 10:57 AM   #183
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@ sixiam,

hey man, please do post as much information of your build with pictures please..
The bike was delivered on thursday. I already posted the stock image of the bike. Nothing different.....yet!

It was mostly assembled. I needed to put the front fork together, install the pedals, handlebar, and put on the front wheel.
I put in the seat post.....wait.....missing the seat post clamp.
I contacted the ebay seller (a bike shop) and they are going to send me one out. They think it fell out of the box handle grips.

Today I've got to double check all the bolts are tight. I'm also thinking of putting a hose clamp on as a temporary seat post clamp.
I remember seeing my brother do this when I was younger.

The stock GT Avalanche seat is really hard. I have a softer one (the same size) that's been sitting in the garage for the past 7 or so years.
It had a caked layer of grime on it. So much so that I initially thought the top layer of material was falling off.

Yesterday I had one of those bad bus rides home that makes me want to speed through this build.
I left work twenty minutes early!
My first bus came on time, so things were going good (knock on wood).
It dropped me off at the busway.
10 minutes, 20, 30, 40....
45 minutes later my second bus comes. The early one never showed up.
Of course this bus was packed. So much so that you had to exit the bus for other people to get off.
The bus then tries to go up a hill. The steepest one on the ride home.
It can't climb the hill and breaks down!
About 5 minutes later another bus comes by. Not the same bus, but it gets me closer to home. Of course I could have taken 3 of these buses on the bus way.
I try to call for a ride. Nope, they went to the local community days.
So, now I do a 25 minute walk up a steep hill in 93 degree weather and high humidity.
Top of the hill is the local community days fair.

So I can promise you guys this will be my last month of riding this damn bus!
I am ordering the PapaMotor (48v 1000watt) Jade today.
I'm going to order my rear rack and shorter chain on Amazon and a bike helmet from performance bike.
I like the turn signal/light combo that EBikeFL posted, but I'm not so sure about the brightness. My rechargeable eneloops would work well here though.

As for the bicycle battery the folks over at endless-sphere have some good things to say about bmsbattery.com and how the headway batteries are easily made up of replaceable cells.
I'll do a little cost benefit analysis later of headway vs ping.

Oh shiny!


I'll keep you guys updated.
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Hi guys & any gals out there,
Just made a few pictures of my new bike light. It is a Cree XML T6 LED Light & for a little light,it packs a whallop of power. Damn near blinded me when i turned it on tonite to take a few pictures to post on here. It has 3 different switch position.HI - LO - PULSE FLASH. At 1200 lumins,it is brighter than my LED stinger flashlite which is 1000 lumins & is pretty bright for a 6 inch mini flashlight which i had on my handlebar in the pictures that i posted a few days ago. THis Cree light as i read several reviews on Ebay & amazon.com will last from 6 to 8 hours depending on which setting you have it on & the reviews I read were very favorable about the light. Well I can attest to beyond a shawdow of a dought,that this light will do everything that it is intended to do plus blind the crap outta someone.should make a good self defense light just to blind someone momentarly to get the hell outta dodge,lol.
I got my reply back from papamotor & they should be posting my pictures i sent them on their sight. I'm waiting to see when they are going to come out with a 29 inch E wheel.I'd like to build another bike & i thought about a 700c but i'd rather wait for the 29.I see that they now have a 28 inch E wheel available so hopefully it won't be long B 4 the 29 comes out. Maybe get a ferw more MPH outta the 29's. I feel the need for speed. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Here are the lite pics.# 1 is my flashlite beam. # 2 is the cree low beam. # 3 is the cree high beam. Front of the package. Back of the Package. The Cree lite on the bike. The battery holder on the top crossbar. My streamlight 6" stinger that was on my bike which was replaced by the cree light. I got the Cree lite from a seller on Ebay B 4 I looked it up on amazon which i could have saved myself about 35 bucks had I of seen it first on amazon.But all in all,I feel it's a great purchase one way or the other.during the day you can use the pulsing flash to be seen by oncoming traffic & at night use the steady light to see with.Y'all have a great weekend.
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Here's a question, some pics, and an expensive list....

Question:
The PapaMotor kit has its own brake handle. I can't use this because of the hydraulic disc brakes. Will this cause problems?

Some pics (I promise better pics for the motor kit unboxing! Maybe even a youtube video.):

The stock seat on the left is very hard. I'm replacing it with the squishy one on the right.

Too big for my bedroom!

Can I haz seat post?

My list so far (note the absence of the things that make it belong in this electric bike forum...):

Bike
--2011 GT AVALANCHE 1.0 LARGE SILVER
$559.02 (ebay.com 07-27-2012)


Tire valve stem caps
--Slime 1018-A Blue Anodized Cap
$0 (Reused from my car)


Fenders
--Planet Bike 7056-5 Cascadia Fender Set Hybrid/Touring Black (45mm wide)
$44.99 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)

Rack
--Topeak Explorer Bicycle Rack with Disc Brake Mount
$40.53 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Chain
--SRAM PC 870 P-Link Bicycle Chain (8-Speed, Grey)
$19.44 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Extender bar
--The Topeak Bar Extender
$16.28 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Brake fluid
--Shimano SM-DB Mineral Oil Bleed Kit (Red, 50ml)
$16.35 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Light
--Bicygnals Indicator Bicycle Light
$54.83 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Mirror
--Mirrycle MTB Bar End Mountain Bicycle Mirror
$11.79 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Horn
--Megalert Mega Horn Electronic Bicycle Horn 105 db
$22.16 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Safety tape
--3M 03455 Scotchlite Silver 1" by 36" Reflective Tape
$5.20 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Pump
--Topeak Turbo Morph Bike Pump with Gauge
$30.27 (amazon.com 8/4/2012)


Helmet
--Louis Garneau Robota II Helmet (Medium: 23 inch head circumference)
$70.01 (performancebike.com 8/4/2012)


Tire liner
--Mr. Tuffy Tire Liner 26" x 2.5"
$19.83 (performancebike.com 8/4/2012)


Spare tubes
--Forté MTB Schrader Tube 26 x 2.1-2.5"
$13.98 (performancebike.com 8/4/2012)


Lube
--White Lightning Clean Ride 8oz Lube
$11.66 (performancebike.com 8/4/2012)

Total
$936.34

Budget
$2000
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@ sixiam..

I think you dont have to use the papamotor brake levers as they are designed for cable systems, just remember not to engage the throttle when you brake..

but have to ask ebikefl for confirmation..
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I think you dont have to use the papamotor brake levers as they are designed for cable systems, just remember not to engage the throttle when you brake..

but have to ask ebikefl for confirmation..
Yes, Spirit733t is correct. I first thought that the e-brake had to be used with the twist throttle but looking just now at the twist throttle connections I believe the e-brake could be used with either the thumb throttle or the twist throttle. I don't use the e-brake handles and I haven't had any problems. If I need to stop I stop pedaling and/or stop using the thumb throttle and apply my brakes. I also noticed that instead of riding full speed to the light if I just coast to the light when I see it changing to red I save wear and tear on the brakes and save battery power as well. Ideally, the light turns green before I come to a complete stop and I use even less battery power versus having to start from a complete stop.

SiXiam, don't forget to use the Pitlock system everywhere you can - i.e., the seat post and front wheel. I also didn't see a bike lock in your list of purchases. This is the one I use http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00
Also, don't forget to purchase rechargeable AA and AAA batteries for the Bicygnals and anything else which requires that type of power source. You'll never have to purchase batteries again. These are the ones I picked up: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product

I have also found these velcro ties to be very useful in multiple places on the e-bike and to secure cords:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product
I use two ties linked together on both sides of the front Bicygnal to secure it to the Topeak bar extender and the base of the front Bicygnal after I noticed it would always vibrate loose.

Kd5ete, nice pictures! Thanks for sharing them.

On my ride this morning, I received lots of smiles and confused looks from motorcyclists and car drivers. One even gave me the motorcycle solute. lol People find it hard to categorize my e-bike. Their eyes see a bicycle but their brains tell them that no bicycle can go that fast. The two signals seem to conflict with each other and I see a puzzled look on their faces. It's very funny.
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Yes, Spirit733t is correct. I first thought that the e-brake had to be used with the twist throttle but looking just now at the twist throttle connections I believe the e-brake could be used with either the thumb throttle or the twist throttle. I don't use the e-brake handles and I haven't had any problems. If I need to stop I stop pedaling and/or stop using the thumb throttle and apply my brakes. I also noticed that instead of riding full speed to the light if I just coast to the light when I see it changing to red I save wear and tear on the brakes and save battery power as well. Ideally, the light turns green before I come to a complete stop and I use even less battery power versus having to start from a complete stop.

SiXiam, don't forget to use the Pitlock system everywhere you can - i.e., the seat post and front wheel. I also didn't see a bike lock in your list of purchases. This is the one I use http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00
Also, don't forget to purchase rechargeable AA and AAA batteries for the Bicygnals and anything else which requires that type of power source. You'll never have to purchase batteries again. These are the ones I picked up: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product

I have also found these velcro ties to be very useful in multiple places on the e-bike and to secure cords:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product
I use two ties linked together on both sides of the front Bicygnal to secure it to the Topeak bar extender and the base of the front Bicygnal after I noticed it would always vibrate loose.

Kd5ete, nice pictures! Thanks for sharing them.

On my ride this morning, I received lots of smiles and confused looks from motorcyclists and car drivers. One even gave me the motorcycle solute. lol People find it hard to categorize my e-bike. Their eyes see a bicycle but their brains tell them that no bicycle can go that fast. The two signals seem to conflict with each other and I see a puzzled look on their faces. It's very funny.
Thanks, that's what I needed to know! I ordered the 48volt 1000watt Jade kit.

Yeah, no bike lock or security just yet. Starting out I'm just going from home to work, so nothing is needed. As you said in another post I'm going to want to take this thing everywhere! In that case things will quickly change.

Great minds think alike! I already have rechargeable eneloops.

I did my cost benefit analysis and I'm going for the Headway 48v 20ah battery. Its only $6 more than the Ping 15ah and that includes a 6amp charger.
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Well I'm broke!

Motor kit
PapaMotor 48 volt 1000 Watt
$442.00 (papamotor 8/5/2012)


Battery & Charger
--48V 20Ah 38120 LiFePO4 Battery 32 Cells 2P16S EBike Battery Pack - Discharge Current : 30-60A
--Alloy Shell 400W LiFePo4/Li-Ion/Lead Acid Battery EBike Charger [48 volt 6amp charger]
--Double Poles Connector - Current Selection : 50Amps
$725.81 (bmsbattery.com 8/5/2012)



Total
$2104.15


Budget
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Well I'm broke!

Motor kit
PapaMotor 48 volt 1000 Watt
$442.00 (papamotor 8/5/2012)

Battery & Charger
--48V 20Ah 38120 LiFePO4 Battery 32 Cells 2P16S EBike Battery Pack - Discharge Current : 30-60A
--Alloy Shell 400W LiFePo4/Li-Ion/Lead Acid Battery EBike Charger [48 volt 6amp charger]
--Double Poles Connector - Current Selection : 50Amps
$725.81 (bmsbattery.com 8/5/2012)

Total
$2104.15

Budget
$2000
The bmsbattery.com battery looks great...a big savings. Did the $725.81 figure include shipping?

You didn't go extremely over budget. Not bad.

Where do you plan on carrying the 20Ah 24.2 lb battery? Does it come with a case?
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The bmsbattery.com battery looks great...a big savings. Did the $725.81 figure include shipping?

You didn't go extremely over budget. Not bad.

Where do you plan on carrying the 20Ah 24.2 lb battery? Does it come with a case?
Yes, it includes shipping, a 6amp charger, and a $2 connector I thought may come in handy.

I'm not sure yet how I'm going to store the battery. It will actually be longer than the rear rack...
It certainly won't fit in the PapaMotor battery case.

I'll figure something out.
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Yes, it includes shipping, a 6amp charger, and a $2 connector I thought may come in handy.

I'm not sure yet how I'm going to store the battery. It will actually be longer than the rear rack...
It certainly won't fit in the PapaMotor battery case.

I'll figure something out.
You may want to return the Topeak rack and try this: http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP There is no reference to if it works with disk brakes. You may want to contact Jandd and ask them about fitment with disk brakes if you decide to buy it.

So...I guess Spirit733t will want to get a 20Ah battery as well. I feel so under powered now.

Dhoward, I think you have a 15Ah battery...right? I think we need to start a 15Ah club.

Beesley...you still out there? We haven't heard from you in a while.
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You may want to return the Topeak rack and try this: http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP There is no reference to if it works with disk brakes. You may want to contact Jandd and ask them about fitment with disk brakes if you decide to buy it.

So...I guess Spirit733t will want to get a 20Ah battery as well. I feel so under powered now.

Dhoward, I think you have a 15Ah battery...right? I think we need to start a 15Ah club.

Beesley...you still out there? We haven't heard from you in a while.
You make a good point. I cancelled the Topeak rack out of my Amazon order.
I'll look for something a little longer. That Expedition Rack sure looks beefy!

Don't feel bad about your 15Ah battery!
I know you'll get a second one, just to show us all up!

edit: Looks like Jandd sells disc brake adapters for their racks.

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You make a good point. I cancelled the Topeak rack out of my Amazon order.
I'll look for something a little longer. That Expedition Rack sure looks beefy!

Don't feel bad about your 15Ah battery!
I know you'll get a second one, just to show us all up!

edit: Looks like Jandd sells disc brake adapters for their racks.
Adapters! Nice, I didn't even see those.
The Jandd rack is three inches longer than the average rack so it should be able to accommodate your battery.

Here's a vendor that builds custom battery boxes for Ping batteries but they'll make any shape you give them specs for: http://ebikestore.com/parts/95-custo...batteries.html If you do use them, include a 1/4 inch around the inside of the box and line it with a rubber material such as this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00
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My first wheel build is almost complete. I just have to true and dish the rim. All the spokes are precisely at 96 kgf so I expect the true and dishing process to go very quickly. Then the rim tape, Mr. Tuffy tire liner, inner tube and Maxxis Hookworm tire gets installed.

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O.K GUYS. I'm a little confused & i need some help.What is the size difference between a 700c & a 29 incher. I see that Papamotor has a 700c & now a 28 inch wheel. I'm thinking about getting a 29 inch bike so i need the help to get unconfused.
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Kd5ete, try this website for some clarification: http://cyclingabout.com/index.php/20...e-for-touring/

I'll keep searching for a more specific 700c vs 28 inch rim evaluation.
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Thanks EBikeFL, I searched & looked up on Shelton Browns website after reading your post a few minutes ago & found that he seems to have a chart of some sort.As i'm reading it,it show that a 700c is a marketing term for the wide 622mm 700c or the 29 incher . I guess that means the moutain bike wide size tire . Being schooled here in the U.S. i was brought up on the inch & foot thing & not the metric thing. ( old school ),lol, so my brain still does not comprehend the idea of "METRIC". I guess that i will have to get the 2 different bikes side by side to see it for myself. Here is the site i went to. sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html , Now that i am even more confused,i don't really know which version of the Papamotor i want.The 700c is a 29 inch rim in U.s. standards ? Or am i really going nutz trying to figure this thing out.Time to go to the pub maties.

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You may want to return the Topeak rack and try this: http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP There is no reference to if it works with disk brakes. You may want to contact Jandd and ask them about fitment with disk brakes if you decide to buy it.

So...I guess Spirit733t will want to get a 20Ah battery as well. I feel so under powered now.

Dhoward, I think you have a 15Ah battery...right? I think we need to start a 15Ah club.

Beesley...you still out there? We haven't heard from you in a while.
I'm still happy with my 15Ah battery. It easily provides the power I need for my 5 mile commute (each way).

Just added a 12 V headlight and tailight to the bike. It uses power from the 15Ah battery and doesn't seem to affect riding performance. Used a rectangle shaped spotlight from a truck rollbar for the headlight and a truck marker light for the tailight. Dropped voltage from 48V to 12V using a golf cart converter. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-120W-GOL...item2ebcbdbf55 It lights up the road like a motorcycle does. No longer riding blind when facing car headlights.
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Thanks EBikeFL, I searched & looked up on Shelton Browns website after reading your post a few minutes ago & found that he seems to have a chart of some sort.As i'm reading it,it show that a 700c is a marketing term for the wide 622mm 700c or the 29 incher . I guess that means the moutain bike wide size tire . Being schooled here in the U.S. i was brought up on the inch & foot thing & not the metric thing. ( old school ),lol, so my brain still does not comprehend the idea of "METRIC". I guess that i will have to get the 2 different bikes side by side to see it for myself. Here is the site i went to. sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html , Now that i am even more confused,i don't really know which version of the Papamotor i want.The 700c is a 29 inch rim in U.s. standards ? Or am i really going nutz trying to figure this thing out.Time to go to the pub maties.
Decisions...decisions. You'll also want to make sure you can get good tires to match the rim. The rim size with the most options and accessories would win my vote.
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