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    Help.

    Ok completely new to this, ive picked out an ebike im getting, i dont drive but i know how to ride a bike. in my area i will need to go with the flow of traffic, i guess i am really nervous about this just as nervous as a first time driver would be. Is there any videos or tutorials on how to operate one that looks like this?
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    thanks!

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    Sunni,
    Um, this is a bicycle board. You may wish to check out http://endless-sphere.com/forums/
    Endless Sphere is inclusive of all electric vehicles.

    Yes, you must ride with traffic--even when you are on a non electric bicycle. Riding against traffic is called being a salmon. It's also called playing chicken with every car that passes you. It's illegal and dangerous.

    Chances are that bike is going to have to be tagged as a moped to be legal on the street.

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    no no its electric, and it is consider a bicycle as it has attachable pedals.. it goes on the street as is, no license , no insurance no tags..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnilove View Post
    no no its electric, and it is consider a bicycle as it has attachable pedals.. it goes on the street as is, no license , no insurance no tags..
    Electric or no, that's a moped. And those pedals are really not functional. They will propel the scooter forward, but you won't make it more than a block or two.
    Aside from the handlebar grips they are no parts on that machine common to a bicycle; it's a moped.

    Another problem with those kinds of scooters is that they are way underpowered for their weight. It's an electric scooter that has had some pedals just thrown on it and the motor de-tuned so that it may skirt bike laws in jurisdictions that have not updated their low powered electric vehicle regulations.

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    Question is...
    Where does she live?

    Every state and country has it's own laws regarding vehicles...
    Without knowin where she lives, we can't tell.

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    In Utah, operating a moped (under which category electric bikes fall) requires a drivers license.

    If you're going to be sharing the streets with cars, you should know how they legally can act, and how they will act. One way of doing this is taking or auditing a Drivers Ed course.

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    These are the eBike laws for Ontario.
    Low powered electric scooters are legal as bicycles, however I think they are an awful design. Underpowered for their weight (200+ lbs without rider), low range (9-15 miles), neigh impossible to pedal (30 inch Q factors), poor reliability and difficulty finding parts or service--the list goes on. Save your money and buy a real bicycle and a hub kit or a proper electric bicycle. I've never heard of one of the low power electric scooters be anything other than a lesson in frustration and heartache.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/e-bike-faq.shtml
    1. What is a power-assisted bicycle (“e-bike”)?

    For use in the Province of Ontario, a power-assisted bicycle, or e-bike, is a bicycle that:

    • Has a maximum weight of 120 kg (includes the weight of bike and battery);
    • Has wheels with a diameter of at least 350 mm and width of at least 35 mm; and
    • Meets the federal definition of a power-assisted bicycle:
      • has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals,
      • is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground,
      • is capable of being propelled by muscular power,
      • has one or more electric motors that have, singly or in combination, the following characteristics:
        • it has a total continuous power output rating, measured at the shaft of each motor, of 500 W or less,
        • if it is engaged by the use of muscular power, power assistance immediately ceases when the muscular power ceases,
        • if it is engaged by the use of an accelerator controller, power assistance immediately ceases when the brakes are applied, and
        • it is incapable of providing further assistance when the bicycle attains a speed of 32 km/h on level ground,

      • bears a label that is permanently affixed by the manufacturer and appears in a conspicuous location stating, in both official languages, that the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle as defined federally, and
      • has one of the following safety features,
        • an enabling mechanism to turn the electric motor on and off that is separate from the accelerator controller and fitted in such a manner that it is operable by the driver, or
        • a mechanism that prevents the motor from being engaged before the bicycle attains 3 km/hr.

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    We still don't know where she lives, so until we find out, it's a moot point..

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    So, except for the 3kmh part, it would be legal for her..

    The 3kmh part basically makes it a pedal assist ONLY motor..
    Meaning that she would have to pedal to get the motor moving and have no real use of a throttle..

    So basically that electric bike/scooter she showed would not be legal for her.

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    an enabling mechanism to turn the electric motor on and off that is separate from the accelerator controller and fitted in such a manner that it is operable by the driver, or
    a mechanism that prevents the motor from being engaged before the bicycle attains 3 km/hr.
    In Ontario the bike must be pedal assist or have an on/off switch separate from the throttle.

    Since I'm a mod I can search the general location from where OP's post originated.
    I'm afraid I may have scared Sunni off because I really don't care for the scooter style bikes. I just don't want to see someone spend a grand on something that will ultimately be a disappointment.
    Last edited by Allen; 05-02-12 at 07:03 AM.

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    We don't even know if what she showed was pedal assist only or not.

    I'm not a fan of those scooter type ebikes either for the same reason you gave...
    However, I've noticed a lot of people buying those for just that reason, because they look like scooters...

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