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    Need a recommendation before I get the eZip Trails

    I am new to ebikes and looking to spend not more than about 1500 USD.

    I want a bike that looks more or less as a typical mountain bike or dutch-style (not the road or racing style). I am looking for a 500W motor that can get me up hills is most important. I would like it to have a front suspension fork.

    I purchased http://www.amazon.com/GBE-GTO-Beach-...be+gto+cruiser this one for $1500 : but may need to send it back because 1) it's too tall for me and the battery pack and controller make it impossible to lower the seat. I am not sure if I would be successful in lengthening the cables and setting the components further back on the rack, to make clearance for the seat. I'm a bit nervous in doing that and voiding the warranty. Also, the handle bars are too large and unwieldy and needs to be replaced.

    Any recommendations please -- Otherwise, I may just get the eZip Trails that has a 450 Watt motor and hope for the best.

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    Warranty?
    Do you realize that under warranty you would have to pay shipping?
    Especially that you are not really electrical person
    So you cannot just replace faulty components they could send you
    So you would have to ship all bike,'imagine cost?
    Claim under warranty would simply cost you money
    Why people forget about it so often


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    I'm willing to pay return shipping. I'm not an electrical person, so I'm opposed to modifying it. Also cannot find a bicycle shop in my area that works on electric bicycles.

    Is there any other bike in my price range that I may have overlooked?

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    But sincerely
    I don't want to be critical
    Not everybody must be technical electrical person
    But unless you ship your ebike under warranty inside USA
    Other than that imagine cost entire bike to Asia for service
    If I were you ....
    From extensive reading on more than 3'ebike forums
    There is only one system I would consider and it is FALCO
    Designed by US company and manufactured in India
    Technical/electrical person like me will see immediately that FALCO stand out for simple reason-
    no China brand engineering.
    Do your reading and form opinion
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    I would rate the eZip Trailz as a good starter eBike.

    Don't misunderstand me, it is a durable well proven design, but you are libel to quickly outgrow it.
    As is ... that is.
    But it has great upgrade-mod potential, but better suited for the handyman-tinkerer.

    I've documented various upgrades:
    Re-gearing for higher speed
    Re-volting for power - speed
    Home-made Lithium battery packs
    Durability upgrading etc.

    Also see - eZip = Cheapest eBike
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    Thanks for showing support for the Currie ezip. I suppose it is well worth its cost , even though it is now at $500.

    I wonder how loud the chain drive motor is compared to a good 500W hub motor?


    I am also considering this Pedego Interceptor, though at $2500 it is $1000 additional for more or less the same specifications as the bike I have now.

    http://www.pedegoelectricbikes.com/i...electric-bike/

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    It will cost me $200 by UPS (east to west coast) to return this bike

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    How is the eZip Trailz when it comes to all pedaling? Is there much drag from the motor and chain and is the weight of the bike noticeable with no PAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveW99 View Post
    I wonder how loud the chain drive motor is compared to a good 500W hub motor?
    It is very annoying sound of chain drive , chain is exposed not covered.
    they hear you before even seeing you

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    Quote Originally Posted by powell View Post
    It is very annoying sound of chain drive , chain is exposed not covered.
    they hear you before even seeing you
    Just curious as to why you imagine that a motors chain drive would be so much incredibly louder than the pedal side chain?
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    I have a ezip trailz I don't even hear the motors chain drive, I do hear the motor, but it isn't loud, I can hear it kick in when peddling in pas mode, I agree with DrkAngel it a great starter bike, im going start adding extras too it. mud guards, Ive already added lights, and travel bag, when I find a cyclecomputer that will work, I will add that, tried to different Bell computers couldn't get either to work.also Im getting a second battery.

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    As he says motor he can hear, loud no loud that is indvidual
    You got to put this in perspective.
    How? To compare with other ebike drives.
    the best ebikes with Wallmart crap, otherwise you might never know
    Unless you want to move from A to B on whatever 2 wheel electric.
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    Without question you can hear the motor (actually, you hear the gearbox not the motor). That said for $500 for a compete e-bike I don't see how you can beat the bike even with the gear noise. As for worrying about the warranty and shipping the bike back for repair....that's just not going to happen. First off I don't think they will make the actual repair. The warranty is for parts replacement only. Secondly, anyone and I do mean anyone can repair the EZip Trailz. If it breaks down call EZip and they will make recommendations of the repair required. And a 10 year old can install most any part on that bike including the electrical parts. Lets face it...the electrical parts are all plug ins. What has to be known to pull out a plug?

    Yes the bike can be peddled with out running the motor. The motor drive has a freewheel and does not cause any drag at all. However, it is a heavy bike and the lead battery doesn't help. Some people make a big deal of the bikes weight. So let me tell tell you if you strip off all the things that make it an e-bike the Trailz is only a few pounds heavier then any other bike. And personally, I see nothing wrong with a heavy frame for use on an e-bike. But that's just me.

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    Thanks for all the input. I just don't see how a person can go wrong with an eZip Trailz. With all the e-bikes and conversions I been looking at I can buy one for my wife and I for what some of the kits cost. I guess if you go in with the mindset that a few things might need tweeked so what. One other question,are lead acid batteries all that bad?? Thanks again!!

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    Tom, Views of lead batteries depends on who you are talking to. There are some good things that can be said about them just as there are many bad things that can be said about them. To start with they are very heavy for the energy delivered. If not properly cared for they can be very short lived. For the most part those are the bad things. The good thing about them is they are inexpensive to replace (you just pop out the 2 old batteries from the pack and install 2 new one about $70ish). Secondly they are simple and safe to charge. BTW, if maintained properly many people have reported riding many .. many months and miles with them. My wife has been using the same battery for several years now. But I had surgery in Jan. and didn't keep it charged so I'm guessing it maybe shot now. I also remember a young lady on this site saying she rode the bike to and from school daily and logged many hundreds of miles and never had a problem with the battery or bike in general. I know someone in Cal. That has logged thousands of miles on the same pack.

    Keep in mind if you peddle the bike with the motor you will get 8 to 10 miles or more on a charge. If you don't peddle it will drop to around 5 miles. When I ride with my wife we do 10 to 15 miles. When I ride alone I do 30+ miles (but not with lead bats).


    If you decide on buying EZip bikes I would recommend a few simple checks before riding that may avoid a few problems. So let us know if you make the jump.


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    Thanks and a question. When I look at ads for cordless power tools even the better ones, why are they so much cheaper on their lithium battery's than bike battery's ? Is it the amps or what?

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    18Volt x 3Amp hour = 54watt hours - $80

    36Volt x 10Amp hour = 360watt hours - $533

    Same price per unit of energy capacity
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    As Drk points out it's all about size. Several years ago there was a kit that you could add to the front of your bike that contained a motor, throttle and controller. It ran on Dewalt 18v battery packs that plugged into the axle on a bracket just like loading them into a portable drill. Only problem was 2 of those small packs didn't take you very far. Bob

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    I'm more of a mechanical person than electrical so thanks guys.

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    I too am mechanical and not really an electrical person. That's why I know the average person can do most or everything needed on the Trailz if they want/need to. Bob

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    2008 eZip Trailz & 2008 iZip Trailz AL

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbass View Post
    Without question you can hear the motor (actually, you hear the gearbox not the motor). That said for $500 for a compete e-bike I don't see how you can beat the bike even with the gear noise. As for worrying about the warranty and shipping the bike back for repair....that's just not going to happen. First off I don't think they will make the actual repair. The warranty is for parts replacement only. Secondly, anyone and I do mean anyone can repair the EZip Trailz. If it breaks down call EZip and they will make recommendations of the repair required. And a 10 year old can install most any part on that bike including the electrical parts. Lets face it...the electrical parts are all plug ins. What has to be known to pull out a plug?

    Yes the bike can be peddled with out running the motor. The motor drive has a freewheel and does not cause any drag at all. However, it is a heavy bike and the lead battery doesn't help. Some people make a big deal of the bikes weight. So let me tell tell you if you strip off all the things that make it an e-bike the Trailz is only a few pounds heavier then any other bike. And personally, I see nothing wrong with a heavy frame for use on an e-bike. But that's just me.

    Bob

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    Hi everybody!
    I bought my 2008 eZip Trailz and my 2008 iZip Trailz AL Oct, 14 2008 and so happy to see other here that know what there talking about from experience and not just blowing smoke in your ear.
    I've only had to replace the drive chain, batteries and one flat on the rear tire of the eZip Trailz and it only takes a few simple tools to do all the repairs.
    When I bought my bikes they were selling for $399.99 for the eZip Trailz and the iZip Trailz AL was only $299.99 which was a streak of good luck for me because I've never had very good luck at getting deals.
    That was awesome to get an all aluminum Hybrid eBike that does 23 mph fully dressed with chrome steel fenders, head light, tail lights, bell, mirror, ES back pack on the front, milk crate on the rear rack and two Master cable locks, one to secure the milk crate to the rear rack so the battery pack cant be lifted off while unattended and a large Master Cable lock for the bike with it's aluminum hubs and quick release front wheel.

    The reduction gear box on the motor is where you get the low pitch zing which is nice because you can tell how low your batteries are getting by the pitch of the motors zing.
    I removed the gearbox and repacked it with CRC Hi temp bearing grease and that reduced the sound quite a bit but not so much that I cant hear it when I want to.
    After awhile you never really notice the sound until you want to hear it, to know how your batteries are holding up without depending on the idiot indicator light on the throttle.

    My rear fender is a actually a front fender because I can flip the bike on it's back with just a pop of the throttle and not scrape my rear fender on the ground when i need to fix a flat or replace the drive chain.
    Allen wrench, 10 mm box end, 15 mm box end wrench are all the tools you need to change a tire, tube or drive chain.

    I did do one MOD to my bikes and that was take the flat nut that hold the motor plate to the wheel and drill it out to 3/8" so it acts like a washer and not a nut you have to fuss with ever when removing the and installing the rear wheel.

    Hub motors are heavy with all the magnets that have a lot of drag unless it's the reduction type hub mother.
    I sure as hell would not want to peddle one of those heavy bikes with the hub motor with all that drag from the magnets it fail to work.

    I'm being totally honest here about what i have posted, don't go spend a fortune to keep up with the Jones when you can enjoy a great bike for a lot less money and head aches.
    Sorry for any typos and lack of an education.
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    2008 eZip Trailz & 2008 iZip Trailz AL

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbass View Post
    Without question you can hear the motor (actually, you hear the gearbox not the motor). That said for $500 for a compete e-bike I don't see how you can beat the bike even with the gear noise. As for worrying about the warranty and shipping the bike back for repair....that's just not going to happen. First off I don't think they will make the actual repair. The warranty is for parts replacement only. Secondly, anyone and I do mean anyone can repair the EZip Trailz. If it breaks down call EZip and they will make recommendations of the repair required. And a 10 year old can install most any part on that bike including the electrical parts. Lets face it...the electrical parts are all plug ins. What has to be known to pull out a plug?

    Yes the bike can be peddled with out running the motor. The motor drive has a freewheel and does not cause any drag at all. However, it is a heavy bike and the lead battery doesn't help. Some people make a big deal of the bikes weight. So let me tell tell you if you strip off all the things that make it an e-bike the Trailz is only a few pounds heavier then any other bike. And personally, I see nothing wrong with a heavy frame for use on an e-bike. But that's just me.

    Bob

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    Hi everybody!
    I bought my 2008 eZip Trailz and my 2008 iZip Trailz AL Oct, 14 2008 and so happy to see other here that know what there talking about from experience and not just blowing smoke in your ear.
    I've only had to replace the drive chain, batteries and one flat on the rear tire of the eZip Trailz and it only takes a few simple tools to do all the repairs.
    When I bought my bikes they were selling for $399.99 for the eZip Trailz and the iZip Trailz AL was only $299.99 which was a streak of good luck for me because I've never had very good luck at getting deals.

    That was awesome to get an all aluminum Hybrid eBike that does 23 mph.
    It's now fully dressed with chrome steel fenders, head light, tail lights, bell, mirror, ES back pack on the front, milk crate on the rear rack and two Master cable locks, one to secure the milk crate to the rear rack so the battery pack cant be lifted off while unattended and a large Master Cable lock for the bike with it's aluminum hubs and quick release front wheel.

    The reduction gear box on the motor is where you get the low pitch zing which is nice because you can tell how low your batteries are getting by the pitch of the motors zingging sounds.

    I removed the gearbox and repacked it with CRC Hi temp bearing grease and that reduced the sound quite a bit but not so much that I cant hear it when I want to and incresed the life a lot because they really don't pack the gearbox that well at the factory that builds the motors.

    After awhile you never really notice the sound until you want to hear it, hear it to know how your batteries are holding up without depending on the idiot indicator light on the throttle.

    My rear fender is a actually a front fender because I can flip the bike on it's back with just a pop of the throttle and not scrape my rear fender on the ground when I need to fix a flat or replace the drive chain.
    Allen wrench, 10 mm box end, 15 mm box end wrench are all the tools you really need to change a tire, tube or drive chain.

    I did do a MOD to my bikes and that was take the flat nut that hold the motor plate to the wheel and drill it out to 3/8" so it acts like a washer and not a nut you have to fuss with ever when removing the and installing the rear wheel.
    Anybody that has removed the rear wheel knows how frustrating the odd size flat nut is when putting the wheel back on to the bike.

    Hub motors are heavy with all the magnets that have a lot of drag unless it's the reduction type hub motor and most kits cost as much as the entire eZip Trailz ebikes.
    I sure as hell would not want to peddle one of those heavy bikes with the hub motor with all that drag from the magnets it fail to work.

    I'm being totally honest here about what i have posted, don't go spend a fortune to keep up with the Jones when you can enjoy a great bike for a lot less money and head aches.
    Sorry for any typos and lack of an education.
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