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Old 08-06-15, 04:19 PM
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how do you guys know for sure the led is different? i can't find any data on this not even on the b&m site. the old cyo is very bright as it is & if i buy the new light i want a brighter led for sure as well not just revamped optics... i'm curious if it is in fact different i wonder just how much brighter it really is...

the daytime running lights are cool though. if anybody here has the one with daytime running lights does the headlight with the senso function also control the taillight as well? i got a b&m toplight led light on the back of my bike.....

are the daytime running lights pretty bright in the daytime & noticable? seems to me you can just simply run the regular light as well all the time. i can even do this with the old light as i have a dyno hub...

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the lights on peter's site seem to be a little overexposed. the person who did the videos on you tube did both & seems to have the same camera settings with each light unlike when you see pics from 2 different people with obviously different camera settings which show different results with each light...

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Old 08-06-15, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
how do you guys know for sure the led is different? i can't find any data on this not even on the b&m site.
See my previous post. I own and use both in real life.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
It's totally fair to ask the source, but my source for my opinion is owning and using both the older Cyo and the new Schmidt Edelux II in real life (which the Cyo Premium is based off of, it claims to put out 10% more light but is otherwise identical in output).

The Edelux II is definitely a little brighter than the old Cyo, and much wider as well.

Most likely the video thing is caused by the camera adjusting it's exposure settings during the video.

If you want other confirmation, you can search for "peter white dynamo beam shots" and you should be able to find the old Cyo shots and the new Schmidt Edelux II shots taken at the exact same exposure settings.

But I know for sure from personal experience with both lights, not just from reading.
b&m cyo test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TWCGxTVFB4

b&m cyo premium test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCay6MP0fmM

is it me or does the older cyo's beam look brighter? open each test in it's own window, flip back & forth & watch each at the same time. the old light's beam whiler smaller looks bighter in most situations & in bright light it's less drowned out by street lights than the premium. the old cyo does throw some stray light near the bike & to the sides that the films don't show.

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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
m b&m cyo test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TWCGxTVFB4

b&m cyo premium test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCay6MP0fmM

is it me or does the older cyo's beam look brighter? open each test in it's own window, flip back & forth & watch each at the same time. the old light's beam whiler smaller looks bighter in most situations & in bright light it's less drowned out by street lights than the premium. the old cyo does throw some stray light near the bike & to the sides that the films don't show.
I can see what you mean from the video, all I can say is that my real life experience contradicts the video's difference in light output really, really strongly.

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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
I can see what you mean from the video, all I can say is that my real life experience contradicts the video's difference in light output really, really strongly.
Based on my observations of fellow randonneurs over the last couple years, I'd rank the best lights:
(old) Cyo < (old) eDelux < new Luxos U or eDelux II

I haven't ridden with anyone who has the new Cyo T.
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the daytime running lights are cool though. if anybody here has the one with daytime running lights does the headlight with the senso function also control the taillight as well? i got a b&m toplight led light on the back of my bike.....
B&M Eyc T senso has 2 little square flat daytime running lights , that are the front Standlight,
and the 3rd LED is the bright one that comes on with the wheel rotation .

the toplight Line taillight comes on promptly with the least bit of wheel rotation , and has a longer standlight duration when stopped.
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Originally Posted by pdlamb
Based on my observations of fellow randonneurs over the last couple years, I'd rank the best lights:
(old) Cyo < (old) eDelux < new Luxos U or eDelux II

I haven't ridden with anyone who has the new Cyo T.
You mean the latest Cyo Premium with the same reflector design as the Edelux?

The Cyo T is so last year's model (lol).
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
You mean the latest Cyo Premium with the same reflector design as the Edelux?

The Cyo T is so last year's model (lol).
do you have the one with the daytime running lights? if so are they really bright & noticable or are they really just useless bells & wistles?
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
I can see what you mean from the video, all I can say is that my real life experience contradicts the video's difference in light output really, really strongly.
ya i guess you really can't tell from any video because a camera sees light different than the human eye.
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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
do you have the one with the daytime running lights? if so are they really bright & noticable or are they really just useless bells & wistles?
Sorry, I know about the standlight but not the daytime running lights.
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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
ya i guess you really can't tell from any video because a camera sees light different than the human eye.
Yeah, seriously I would be one of the first saying the new light was crap if it was like in the video, where it was wider but dimmer.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
You mean the latest Cyo Premium with the same reflector design as the Edelux?

The Cyo T is so last year's model (lol).
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The new LED is the Oslon flat black. Quite different from the ancient XRE in the old model.

Oslon Black Flat LED for automotive front lighting offers low thermal resistance and high light output at high currents - LEDs
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
Yeah, seriously I would be one of the first saying the new light was crap if it was like in the video, where it was wider but dimmer.
do you know or does anybody know if the premium cyo with daytime running lights use the daytime running light leds as their standlight? my old cyo uses the main led just at a dimmer mode when stopped.

also is the premium light housing any larger than the original cyo? they advertise it has a revised switch so that's why I ask. my cyo is in a tight place & if I decide to upgrade I don't want any issues. as much as I like my old cyo & it's brightness if the new one is really brighter & at the same time wider it must be an awesome light. seems to me though that every pic & video on the net showing a comparison between the old & new light seems to show the spread out beam a little dimmer than the smaller beam.
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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
do you know or does anybody know if the premium cyo with daytime running lights use the daytime running light leds as their standlight? my old cyo uses the main led just at a dimmer mode when stopped.
I know from seeing it in person that the Cyo Premium uses the 2 led's on the bottom as it's standlight, not the main light like the older model did.

The Schmidt Edelux uses the main light as it's standlight, but it's not great because I think the standlight was designed for smaller led's giving the Schmidt a much shorter standlight time.

Originally Posted by saturnsc2
also is the premium light housing any larger than the original cyo? they advertise it has a revised switch so that's why I ask. my cyo is in a tight place & if I decide to upgrade I don't want any issues. as much as I like my old cyo & it's brightness if the new one is really brighter & at the same time wider it must be an awesome light. seems to me though that every pic & video on the net showing a comparison between the old & new light seems to show the spread out beam a little dimmer than the smaller beam.
I don't really know, it looked the same size plus a little extra for the external standlight led's, but I haven't compared them side by side. I know it's nowhere near the huge size of the...I'm forgetting the name, the one with usb charging built in. That thing was like the size of a coffee cup in person lol.
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i wonder how bright these lights can get. i mean i wonder if they will come out with an even brigher one. i realize that with a 6 volt 3 watt dynamo the power is limited, but there is also 12 volt 6 watt dynamos...
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Not to add much to this discussion, other than to add that I design, fabricate and now sell dynamo-related components and installation parts via my website (in my signature).
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You mean the latest Cyo Premium with the same reflector design as the Edelux?
B&M supplies the IQ2 reflectors to Schmidt, for their headlight manufacturing ,

I expect it is made for their needed dimensions , since CAD designs are so easy to transmit ,

to other German Towns and around the globe ..

the LED in the top, facing down, to the reflector.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
I can see what you mean from the video, all I can say is that my real life experience contradicts the video's difference in light output really, really strongly.
i just ordered this light. the prices on these shipped from Germany are pretty cheap.
mine was $70.00 + $15.00 for shipping, not bad. i think the wider beam will come in handy for those rides in the dark parks & dark country. not that the original cyo was bad, but the wider beam comes in handy for those tight turns. will post updates when i get it hooked up & running...
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I just ordered this taillight to go with the new cyo premium: B M Tail Light for Luggage Carrier Toplight View Plus Brake Tec | eBay

it has that cool brake light function. can't wait to see this work. I seen the you tube video of the light & it's pretty cool! does anybody here use this light?
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mister paulrivers since you already have the iq cyo premium senso I was wondering if the headlight turns on the taillight when the headlight comes on at night with the senso function. how many wires does the cyo premium have to hookup? i'm waiting for my premium to come in from Germany. it's been a week & a half & soon it should be here I imagine...

right now i'm running a shimano hub dynamo with that old nexus switch. remember those? the nexus switch provides the senso function which turns on the system at night. my old cyo isn't a senso light. I might just eliminate the old nexus switch since the headlight will now have that function, but I need to know if it turns on the rear taillight also. I have an older b&m led toplight. i'm also upgrading my taillight to the new one with that brake light function which looks really cool in addition, it's much brighter which uses 2 led's vs the 1 in my old light...

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Originally Posted by saturnsc2
mister paulrivers since you already have the iq cyo premium senso I was wondering if the headlight turns on the taillight when the headlight comes on at night with the senso function.
I'm afraid I have the Schmidt Edelux II, not actually the Cyo Premium. I don't know specifically about the senso as I never use it - I know that when I turn on the headlight the tail light automatically gets power. You could also just leave it on all the time.

The tail light has it's own standlight separate from the front light, turning off the front light leaves the rear light on until it either runs out of standlight, or if it's the topline plus you press a certain button that turns the tail light off. It comes back on automatically as soon as the front dynamo light comes on.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
I'm afraid I have the Schmidt Edelux II, not actually the Cyo Premium. I don't know specifically about the senso as I never use it - I know that when I turn on the headlight the tail light automatically gets power. You could also just leave it on all the time.

The tail light has it's own standlight separate from the front light, turning off the front light leaves the rear light on until it either runs out of standlight, or if it's the topline plus you press a certain button that turns the tail light off. It comes back on automatically as soon as the front dynamo light comes on.
is the taillight wired to the headlight?
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is the taillight wired to the headlight?
Yes.
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