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Old 06-26-16, 09:03 PM   #1
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Recommendation for lights for my cannondale supersix

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Could you please recommend light set up for my Cannondale SuperSix Evo? What bike front light and tail light would be good and do I still need head light for my helmet if I get the front/tail lights for my bike? I would like best value and most bang of buck set up.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:09 PM   #2
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Even with bike-mounted lights, I still like helmet-mounted lights to be seen more easily. Drivers have told me I'm easier to see at night.

Having two sets of lights -- on the bike, on the helmet -- creates more separation. This makes it easier for drivers to estimate your distance, speed and direction.

There are lots of good lightweight lights suitable for helmet mounting. For a white front light, I like the Vivo Bike Illuminati and similar lights, which range from $10-$25 on Amazon. It's bright enough to be just adequate as a headlight -- I used mine as my sole headlight for a couple of months before getting a bike mounted headlight. Mostly I use it on flash/strobe to be seen -- always at night, sometimes in daytime when I'm riding in traffic.

For the rear, I use a Blackburn 2'Fer, possibly the most versatile USB rechargeable on the market -- it offers steady white and red and flashing white and red in one unit. It's not to see the road -- it's too diffused -- but it's great for being seen, front or rear. I use it on flashing red on the back of my helmet.

Both are so lightweight I don't even notice them on my helmet. The helmet weighs about 300 grams. The two lights add maybe 100-150 grams. I have a permanently damaged C2 vertebrae, so I can't tolerate much weight on my head or shoulders. But no problems with these lights.

Both are USB rechargeables. The Blackburn has a charge gauge (the Illuminati doesn't), which is quite accurate, so I use it to guesstimate recharging times for both lights. Both lights last the same time per charge, and recharge at the same time, so it's easy to keep both going. I recharge about twice a week, good enough for my rides -- 3 or 4 times a week, 2 to 4 hours per ride, often in the evening/night (cooler in Texas).

Those are great values for street and multi-use trail riding. But for serious off-road riding at night you'd want a more powerful helmet headlight so you can see wherever you look. Those will be heavier, more expensive, but probably invaluable for nighttime trail rides.
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For bike mounted lights, there are tons of choices. I'm partial to lights that take AA or AAA batteries, because I'm often out late at night for several hours -- longer than most USB rechargeables are intended for.

I wanted the Busch & Muller Ixon IQ (or Premium), but it wasn't in my budget earlier this year. So I got the Serfas SL-255 for half the price. It's more than half the light and an excellent value for around $30. Takes a pair of AA batteries (I rotate 4 AA NiMH rechargeables). There are brighter USB rechargeables, but I like these.

I'm using a Planet Bike Rear Rack Blinky 5, which is pretty good for $15-$20. But it takes AAA batteries, and I'd rather have had AA. Serfas has a new, brighter rack mount taillight that does take AA. I may get that next time, but the Planet Bike is good enough for nighttime use for now.

For a serious daylight taillight, the best I've seen personally is the Cygolite Pro Hotshot 80. Holy crap is that thing bright, far beyond anything else I've seen locally -- and that includes all the usual recommendations for under $100: PDW Radbot 1000; PB Superflash Blinky/Turbo. It's actually too bright on the highest setting for nighttime use, but good for daylight on high. I may add one because I do occasionally ride in heavy traffic in daylight. It's a USB rechargeable so it won't last as long on full power as some of the AA and AAA battery models. Did I mention it's bright? Yeah. Really bright. And it intensifies when viewed directly from behind, so it gently nudges following vehicles or riders to the side to reduce the glare.
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I have a 16 aero spoke front dynohub wheel to power my road bike's headlamp. I hate screwing around with batteries.
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Hi,
Could you please recommend light set up for my Cannondale SuperSix Evo? What bike front light and tail light would be good and do I still need head light for my helmet if I get the front/tail lights for my bike? I would like best value and most bang of buck set up.
Thank you so much in advance.
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For a tail light, it's hard to beat a Planet Bike Super Flash. They are bright and the AAA alkaline batteries last me more than a winter's worth of commuting even on steady.

As for a headlight, it's hard to beat the Cree lights like this one you'll find on Amazon or Fleabay. No, they don't output 2000lm but they do output about 700 lm with is still very bright. They don't cost an arm and a leg nor do you need a whole bunch of other equipment like you do if you were to go with a dyno.

The mounting system is simple and quick to put on and take off although it's not the "best" mounting system around. The light is also easy transfer from one bike to another and most all of them come with a helmet mount. I would suggest buying 2 (or 3) and putting one (or 2) on your bars and one on your helmet. At $40 to $60...depending on how many you buy...you will have a great lighting system and you aren't out a whole lot of money.

If you want to mount 2 of them or if you want more space on your bars, I'd suggest getting this handlebar adapter which mounts to your stem and frees up space nicely.

As fo a helmet light, I would definitely suggest one in addition to a bar mount. As noted above, it does get more attention from motorists because it moves but it also has a lot more utility than a bar mounted light. You can point the light where you are going to ride. This really comes in handy in corners. Your bar light simply won't cover the corner and you'll have little idea what might be lurking there.
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There are so many kinds of lights and so many reasons to prefer one over the other. How and where you will mount the lights weighs into your decision heavily.

I happen to like dynamo powered headlights. I have them on a few of my (too many) bikes. Once I install them, I never have to do any maintenance except occasionally aim the beam to the right height. It's not that changing or charging batteries is hard, but it feels like a big burden lifted when I just don't have to think about it. Since dynamo lights run on wires, you have to bold them to the bike, and this has an incidental advantage: you don't mount or unmount them. Of course, this is a serious disadvantage if you lock your bike in public frequently.

Here is my blog post about the lights on my Bianchi. I've been using this setup for over three years now, and it still works like a champ with no changes at all. I run the lights day and night, since daytime lights just might spare me from a collision, and the kinetic cost is negligible.

I supplement that system with a battery-powered tail light, so I'm running a steady dynamo-powered tail light as well as a flashing battery-powered tail light. I like battery powered tail lights because (1) they flash, and (2) batteries in tail lights need charging or changing far less frequently than in headlights.
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The SuperSix EVO is an aggressive race bike. A dynamo hub doesn't belong on a SuperSix. Having said that, the SuperSix deserves high end lights.
Light & Motion Urban 850 Fast Charge for the bar.
Light & Motion Vis 360 for the helmet.
Any good 60 or 70 lumen blinky for the rear.
All recharge via USB and can be removed from the bike when you don't need them. Light & Motion are top shelf products.

If you want AA rechargable lights then the Busch & Muller Ixon IQ or Premium mentioned by @canklecat above is a very high quality German engineered light. Also top shelf.

I've heard really good things about the Bontrager ION. It has an ANT+ remote which controls the light so you can mount it on the fork.


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The SuperSix EVO is an aggressive race bike. A dynamo hub doesn't belong on a SuperSix.
Why? While I'm not a fan of dyno lights, it's because of the excess cost for a limited system. There's nothing inherently wrong with the lights, I just think you get better performance from other lights.

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Having said that, the SuperSix deserves high end lights.
Light & Motion Urban 850 Fast Charge for the bar.
Light & Motion Vis 360 for the helmet.
Any good 60 or 70 lumen blinky for the rear.
Again, why? The lights I linked to perform as well or better than the lights above for a fraction of the cost. For less than the cost of the Vis 360, WinChaser can purchase 3 of the Cree lights on Amazon and a Planet Bike Superflash. The combined output of the Cree lights is around 2100 lumens or 10 times the output of the Vis 360.

For the cost of the Urban 850, he can purchase 3 of the Cree lights, 2 PB Superflash, and 3 spare battery packs for his lights which would give him a riding time of 4 to 6 hours with all three lights blazing on full (the Cree lights get 2 to 3 hours ).

There's just no reason to spend $150 on a single light. That's also my problem with dyno lights. They start at about $150 for the system and you get a single light.
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@cyccommute, cost is not as important to some as it is to others.
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@cyccommute, cost is not as important to some as it is to others.
In my experience, cost is always important. That said, if someone is going to recommend spending $200 on bike lights, the better value would be for a generator system. The $200 for the systems suggested above would have all the cost of a generator system with the limitations of a small battery light. 1.5 hours of run time is pretty limited.

Of course, what I said above holds for the less expensive Cree lights. They are still the best value.
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In my experience, cost is always important. That said, if someone is going to recommend spending $200 on bike lights, the better value would be for a generator system. The $200 for the systems suggested above would have all the cost of a generator system with the limitations of a small battery light. 1.5 hours of run time is pretty limited.

Of course, what I said above holds for the less expensive Cree lights. They are still the best value.
I did not say, "cost is not always important." I said NOT AS IMPORTANT. It is a relative thing, a sliding scale. Please take a minute to consider what I'm saying, not what you think I'm saying.
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This is my opinion. Nothing more.

The Light & Motion Urban 800 can be price matched at $127. It is compact, fits in a jersey pocket, throws plenty of light, has side visibility lights, pulse mode, mounts and unmounts in about five seconds, charges via simple USB in about 2.5 hours and is visually stunning - no wires or external battery packs. The Vis 360 is similar but mounts to the helmet with both rear red LED and front white LED.

The SuperSix is a fast race bike. It deserves fast, racy type components. I would not put a trailer hitch on a Corvette. That's just me. To each his own.

There are some beautiful dynamo hubs by Son, Schmidt, etc., but I think they would look out of place on a SuperSix and I would not want any extra weight on a high end bike. I'd hate to impact handling. Again, just my opinion. I could be wrong.

The Cree light linked is clearly an amazing value. I still love my Petzyl headlamps however - simple, elegant, flawless functionality. All I'm saying is that a three, four or five thousand dollar bike deserves complimentary components.

Everyone is free to make their own choices. I don't get upset when I see someone make a choice that I would not make, unless it is a choice to hurt someone.


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A few pics for reference.

By the way, meant to say Urban 800, not urban 850.





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A lot would depend on the type of riding you do on that Super Six EVO


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