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Old 07-25-16, 05:28 PM   #1
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Questions about GPS & phones.....

Please excuse me on this, I'm really uninformed when it comes to this subject.

I have zero need for a smartphone, but I'd love to be able to use some of the GPS and mapping apps available. I really can't afford to buy a $300 garmin device either.

What I'm wondering, can I buy an old smartphone (or even a newer one like this Motorola one) and just use the GPS functions without having to subscribe to a carrier/data plan?
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Yes, I've been able to use Strava on an old HTC phone. You can upload it via wifi when you finish your ride.
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Yes, I've been able to use Strava on an old HTC phone. You can upload it via wifi when you finish your ride.
Nice. Can you give me any quick details..ie what phone you use. Like I said, I'm sadly behind when it comes to phones.
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My son uses my old HTC Incredible. Probably about 4 or 5 years old, running an old Android version of Strava. But I think any of the older Android phones will work as long as it has GPS.
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One thing to note, my battery seems to die faster when I use a lot of the gps mapping features. I spent a lot of time on Trailforks and Google Maps this weekend looking for alternate routes and places to camp while bikepacking and the battery dropped to 10% within a few hours of heavy use.

Not sure how that translates to Strava type apps where it's just tracking you and you're not using data to search/load maps, etc.
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Thanks!

I'd really like to hear then what older phones you folks are using. Seems like some of these 3-4 year old phones can be found for under $50, which would be great.
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Virtually any Android smartphone from the last several years will work for your purposes.

This one would be a decent choice. Brand new, $30, not very good as far as smart phones go, but it has the two things you need: GPS and wifi. You would buy the phone (hardware) and not buy service for it. You wouldn't be able to place or receive calls, or texts, but you could connect it to a wifi network (at home, at a coffee shop, etc), download Strava or other tracking/mapping apps, and then use the GPS out and about with it. This particular one has very limited room for apps and map data, but your needs are pretty easy to satisfy.

I'm not affiliated with Boost and I've never used that phone. I just know it's a cheap option and that would eliminate some potential issues with buying used.
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There are many apps out there for Android phone. Strava, MapMyRide and I just use Runtastic for Road Bike. It does everything I want it to. It has 3 maps, one of them is bicycle map and forgot the other one. I like the auto pause feature. I strap on a HRM on my chest. I upload my stats to FB and their site for everyone to see.

I have no problem with battery on my phone. You can get a 4500 mah battery bank.
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Nice. Can you give me any quick details..ie what phone you use. Like I said, I'm sadly behind when it comes to phones.
Yeah, the "use an old phone" trick can work if you're looking for a cheap alternative to expensive phone with data-account or a dedicated bike GPS unit.

As I see it the only problem with the "off line phone" set-up is that you have to be savvy enough about phone apps to get it all set-up. If you have access to wi-fi from your home you are one step ahead of the game. Then you need the right phone. It helps if you have a phone with an SD slot because the SD cards are relatively cheap and can give you more room to download the maps you will need for GPS navigation. Some newer phones don't have SD slots anymore but have more built in memory so likely whatever you get will work.

Finding a good navigation app is not hard. Lots of those out there. You will need an app though that will work with off-line maps. A hand full of apps will do that AND you will need to download a map. You can either buy some off-line maps ( for cheap ) or download some free maps from places like OSM ( OpenStreetMap )

I use an android smart phone for bike navigation but I really haven't gotten into the free maps or off-line navigation ( so I'm not an authority on the process ). I just know it takes some patience and time to get it all set-up. The App I use is called Locus Pro. It has the option to use "off-line" maps but so far I haven't had a need to use off-line maps. BTW, my new phone doesn't have an SD slot but I should still have enough memory to download a good size map if I choose to do so.

Once set-up the final step is to decide if you want to mount the phone to the bike. There are lots of phone holders for bikes so you should be able find and get recommendations without too much problem. Lastly, if you like something that is aesthetically pleasing to the eye you might lean more toward an older iphone. The iphone has some good cycle apps ( as does android ) but there are some aftermarket phone mounts for iphone that are really nice looking. ( I use an Android phone ). I like my phone holder and as cheap phone holders go I think it looks pretty good. I forget the brand at the moment. I'll look it up if you think you might need a good holder for your phone.

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Thanks again all. Some good info.
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Most people are going to roll their eyes because what I'm about to say is going to be pretty obvious to most people who've used a smart phone. But it might not be clear to our OP.

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I use an android smart phone for bike navigation but I really haven't gotten into the free maps or off-line navigation ( so I'm not an authority on the process ). I just know it takes some patience and time to get it all set-up. The App I use is called Locus Pro. It has the option to use "off-line" maps but so far I've had a need to use off-line maps. BTW, my new phone doesn't have an SD slot but I should still have enough memory to download a good size map if I chose to do so.
You have a data plan, right? Meaning your phone is basically always connected and will download maps as needed, over the air, without you even having to know about it. But this won't work for the OP because he's going to buy the phone but not buy a plan, so can only download maps when there's a wifi connection available.

Google Maps is a good option. It's already installed on every smart phone out there. It has a very easy offline maps option built in. The maps download quickly over wifi. Then you have familiar road maps while you ride. I've used the navigation feature driving, it's worked well enough, should be available when you cycle too. Easy peasy. And free.
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I got an iPhone 5s from boost for $150, $30 a month service. 1st smartphone and i got addicted right away. Had some map thing on there at first then I downloaded google maps on another's advice. I Just checked and was able to download much of connecticut and eastern NY only using 55 MB of space. Seems to be temporary though and says it will expire in about a month? You should even be able to make calls over wifi using voip (voice over internet), warning skype is notoriously easily hacked but i'm sure others allow calls to phone numbers when you have a connection and iPhone has facetime which i think only connects through wifi with other facetimers. Sucks that a lot of games demand some type of connection thats not really needed except to spam you with ads but thats not your concern.

I'll add that maps tend to eat battery life and older used phones the battery is one of the first things that starts to lose it's ability to hold a charge. Free or almost free used are fine but unless you can get a new battery maybe not worth it. iPhone does not have removable batteries.

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My only concern is for GPS and wifi and the ability to run something like Strava or MapMyRide. I do have an android tablet so I'm no stranger to apps and wifi etc. But I have no interest in games or phone, just some sort of GPS to help me expand and find new routes. My current daily 3-4 routes I ride are getting old and would be nice to add some variety.
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My only concern is for GPS and wifi and the ability to run something like Strava or MapMyRide. I do have an android tablet so I'm no stranger to apps and wifi etc. But I have no interest in games or phone, just some sort of GPS to help me expand and find new routes. My current daily 3-4 routes I ride are getting old and would be nice to add some variety.
Phone aside, RideWithGPS and Strava Heatmaps (strava also has route making abilites, but maybe not as nice as ridewithgps) will help tremendously with scoping out new routes.

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#7/-1...7820/gray/bike
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I use Runtastic Bike Pro and Google map which you can use the "Bike" option to see the trails.
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For several months I've been using an iPhone 4s a friend gave me after he upgraded. I don't even have a data plan (I carry an old flip phone for voice calls). But I use the iPhone on every ride to record my routes, refer to the map and take photos and videos. If I happen to be in a restaurant with wifi I'll check into Facebook, email, etc., but usually I wait 'til I get home for that.

The freebie apps Cyclemeter and Wahoo are great for basic ride data: maps (although you can't check them in real time), speed, etc.

I downloaded the maps I need for OSMandMaps. They're stored on the phone so no cell access needed. GPS works fine with the stored maps. And there are various maps available, including some with bike routes.

A tried a couple of tricks to prolong the battery life and it seems to work. So far the battery hasn't run dead even after several hours riding and socializing.

For now I keep the phone in the handlebar bag or a pocket while I'm riding, with the apps in the background. So far I don't have any interest in monitoring my rides as I go, and I don't need turn by turn navigation. When I'm lost I pull over and check the maps. But if I was in a hurry I might use a handlebar mount for real time navigation aids.
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For several months I've been using an iPhone 4s a friend gave me after he upgraded. I don't even have a data plan (I carry an old flip phone for voice calls). But I use the iPhone on every ride to record my routes, refer to the map and take photos and videos. If I happen to be in a restaurant with wifi I'll check into Facebook, email, etc., but usually I wait 'til I get home for that.

The freebie apps Cyclemeter and Wahoo are great for basic ride data: maps (although you can't check them in real time), speed, etc.

I downloaded the maps I need for OSMandMaps. They're stored on the phone so no cell access needed. GPS works fine with the stored maps. And there are various maps available, including some with bike routes.

A tried a couple of tricks to prolong the battery life and it seems to work. So far the battery hasn't run dead even after several hours riding and socializing.

For now I keep the phone in the handlebar bag or a pocket while I'm riding, with the apps in the background. So far I don't have any interest in monitoring my rides as I go, and I don't need turn by turn navigation. When I'm lost I pull over and check the maps. But if I was in a hurry I might use a handlebar mount for real time navigation aids.
Good to know, thanks!
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Virtually any Android smartphone from the last several years will work for your purposes.

This one would be a decent choice. Brand new, $30, not very good as far as smart phones go, but it has the two things you need: GPS and wifi. You would buy the phone (hardware) and not buy service for it. You wouldn't be able to place or receive calls, or texts, but you could connect it to a wifi network (at home, at a coffee shop, etc), download Strava or other tracking/mapping apps, and then use the GPS out and about with it. This particular one has very limited room for apps and map data, but your needs are pretty easy to satisfy.

I'm not affiliated with Boost and I've never used that phone. I just know it's a cheap option and that would eliminate some potential issues with buying used.
I do want to add something here. After doing some reading, yes this phone would work...but it's not a GSM phone. ie: you can only use it with boostmobile (should you decide to use phone/data).

My flip phone is a GSM carrier, so after learning about all this, I think it makes sense to make sure anything I buy would be compatible down the road if I wanted to use it for a phone as well.
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For a good inexpensive (relatively) and brand new phone that you can use on any GSM carrier if you later want too (I use airvoice for cheap plans) I like Blu phones. This one has excellent camera in it, and a huge 4,000mAhr battery (double the size battery that is in my phone) Blu Energy X 2 https://www.amazon.com/BLU-Energy-Ba...rds=blu+energy
I'm not sure what other models they have out now they have like 50 different models the last few times I checked. I got my son the original Energy X last year and appears not much has changed. Just throwing that out there. I'd probably get that one myself if my older Blu would die soon but its still going strong. Only thing I don't care for is the new versions of android actually.
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....Google Maps is a good option. It's already installed on every smart phone out there. It has a very easy offline maps option built in. The maps download quickly over wifi. Then you have familiar road maps while you ride. I've used the navigation feature driving, it's worked well enough, should be available when you cycle too. Easy peasy. And free.
Yes Google map is an option but you still have to download the map you need over Wifi and from what I've read on this web site, it has it's limitations.

I think the OP is looking for an off-line map that will work with an app that will navigate a set "pre-designed" route using a website service like "RWGPS" or Mapmyride. I'm not sure if the off-line google map is going to integrate with the other cycling apps. The app I use ( Locus Pro ) can use various off-line maps but stills another secondary app is needed to provide voice turn by turn routing ( Brouter? ) Of course if you are willing to pay a subscription price, RWGPS offers their own app that includes an off line option. Not sure if it gives voice TBT when off-line.

Once again, the OsmAnd app was highly recommended in some of the other threads that were posted not long ago. I've yet to try it myself but it sounds like a really nice app. Sooner or later I'll get around to trying it myself. The Locus app I use gives me a choice of various on-line maps ( with off line options ) including OSM. RWGPS website gives me the choice of using OSM as well and works well with my Locus Pro app. One of things I like about OSM is that they also include both paved MUP and off road trails in many areas.

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In Google map on your phone you can go to Settings and do "Offline areas".

In Runtastic Road bike app, on the bottom right with the "down arrow" icon, you can download map before you go. But you will be in "Open Cycle Map". I think open source.
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For several months I've been using an iPhone 4s a friend gave me after he upgraded. I don't even have a data plan (I carry an old flip phone for voice calls). But I use the iPhone on every ride to record my routes, refer to the map and take photos and videos. If I happen to be in a restaurant with wifi I'll check into Facebook, email, etc., but usually I wait 'til I get home for that.

The freebie apps Cyclemeter and Wahoo are great for basic ride data: maps (although you can't check them in real time), speed, etc.

I downloaded the maps I need for OSMandMaps. They're stored on the phone so no cell access needed. GPS works fine with the stored maps. And there are various maps available, including some with bike routes.

A tried a couple of tricks to prolong the battery life and it seems to work. So far the battery hasn't run dead even after several hours riding and socializing.

For now I keep the phone in the handlebar bag or a pocket while I'm riding, with the apps in the background. So far I don't have any interest in monitoring my rides as I go, and I don't need turn by turn navigation. When I'm lost I pull over and check the maps. But if I was in a hurry I might use a handlebar mount for real time navigation aids.
This is close to what I was doing with an older iPhone 4s for a while.

Re red/bold, battery life can be extended significantly if one takes the time to change all the options and settings. Turn off everything not needed, set everything to low, etc.

iPhone needs bluethooth sensors however.


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As a follow up here's the phone I bought.

As a bonus, AT&T unlocked it for me no questions asked. Either I got a friendly tech or they no longer care about their Go Phones having to be activated for 6months (maybe it's because I never activated it?). Either way, a great deal, I can now use it with my cheap Consumer Cellular network.

Thanks again for all the info, really made this easy.
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As a follow up here's the phone I bought.

As a bonus, AT&T unlocked it for me no questions asked. Either I got a friendly tech or they no longer care about their Go Phones having to be activated for 6months (maybe it's because I never activated it?). Either way, a great deal, I can now use it with my cheap Consumer Cellular network.

Thanks again for all the info, really made this easy.
Good choice. Hope it works out.
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... Either way, a great deal, I can now use it with my cheap Consumer Cellular network...
So, you do have use for a smart phone?
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