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    Cygolite DualCross 300 200 Li-ion

    Does anyone here own the DualCross from Cygolite? If so have you been able to compare it to a halogen system?




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    I own the 300 (non-Lion), but I cannot compare it to a halogen.

    I still love the Dual Cross. Wouldn't replace it. Most cars still think I'm a
    motorcycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
    Most cars still think I'm a
    motorcycle.

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    You are $hi%@ing me!

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    I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauerwald
    I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.
    From all I've read and seen on this light online the light output seems to be the same be it li-ion or nimh. Just the battery, weight, and charger difference is all. Nice light but I'd wait tillit drops a bit more in price before buying it.

    http://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma
    From all I've read and seen on this light online the light output seems to be the same be it li-ion or nimh. Just the battery, weight, and charger difference is all. Nice light but I'd wait tillit drops a bit more in price before buying it.

    http://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
    thanks zero yeah

    do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?

    very close to pricepoint i found
    a buck for two off...

    i am from canada

    any canadians order from em?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    thanks zero yeah

    do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?

    very close to pricepoint i found
    a buck for two off...

    i am from canada

    any canadians order from em?
    Where in Canada are yah mate? I've never bought from them but almost. I'm looking to DIY right now as my mate has secured me 3 high power LED's. I admit the Dual Cross is still a unit I would like to own along with a Dinotte so I can have some commercial product in my collection. Just a read on http://www.mtbr.com on the Dual Cross turned up good comments on the light quality. Service wise I don't know as I've never bought from them.

    I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma
    Where in Canada are yah mate? I've never bought from them but almost. I'm looking to DIY right now as my mate has secured me 3 high power LED's. I admit the Dual Cross is still a unit I would like to own along with a Dinotte so I can have some commercial product in my collection. Just a read on http://www.mtbr.com on the Dual Cross turned up good comments on the light quality. Service wise I don't know as I've never bought from them.

    I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
    yeah ontario

    the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city

    we have bay street they have wallstreet
    and now we have trump moving in

    I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
    i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.

    If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260

    If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170

    If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens

    20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens

    but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.

    For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    yeah ontario

    the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city

    we have bay street they have wallstreet
    and now we have trump moving in

    I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
    i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.

    If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260

    If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170

    If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens

    20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens

    but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.

    For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens
    Trumps moving into Toronto? Anyways, I've not seent he Dual Cross on the streets myself. If you get it I would love to see how it looks in person as my local LBS's here don't have it and the one that does stock Cygolite products has really inflated prices and does not have the DualCross in stock but if I wanted it in stock I'd have to buy it for them to bring a model in.
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    I have the standard DualCross 300 which I have been using for over 6 months now and am very happy with it.

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    brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleng



    brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better
    how is the side spill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    how is the side spill?
    Its pretty good because of the twin led configuration, wider than most single lamps, very even light coverage.

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    protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
    how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
    how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?
    To put it simply everybody stops for you, with the dual cross on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleng
    To put it simply everybody stops for you, with the dual cross on.
    I am mainly interested in a light for seeing the ground before me, and for oncoming cagers to see me as a threat to their safety (light an oncoming motorbike of sorts). In that way, they will slow down to avoid colliding with me. I know with a dinky little Cateye LED (not doubleshot/tripleshot) that cars will try to run me over.

    But it would be dangerous if they come from the sides and cannot see me if I don't have side spill (can see me from the sides).

    That is better.

    But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.
    It seems like that's a property of reflectors/optics rather than the light source per se. That's what the generator light people say, anyway. The best comparison would have to be side-by-side

    My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
    It seems like that's a property of reflectors/optics rather than the light source per se. That's what the generator light people say, anyway. The best comparison would have to be side-by-side

    My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.
    If you could get the B in the comparison, I would love to hear about it!

    For now I am tossed between a 32W dual halogen setup from NiteRider, and the DualCross from Cygolite Li-Ion. The 32W I am sure will outshine the DualCross, but by how much? And I like it more because it has more side spill. But even in the case of the 32W halogen, I would still have a helmet lamp to shine on drivers that are coming toward me, or from the sides. So I could go for the DualCross which has a really light battery and small too, and it lasts much longer even at full power. 3.0hours versus 1.3hours in the halogen.

    Halogen: NiteRider Classic Plus (32 Watt Halogen)



    Cygolite DualCross Li-Ion (High-Power LED)



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    From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.

    If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kleng
    From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.

    If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.


    So you really think I should get it, eh?
    I will put my trust in you then, eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    So you really think I should get it, eh?
    I will put my trust in you then, eh.
    I think you've already made up your mind, I'm totally happy with my dual cross, thats why I have 2.

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    Just mount a blinkie or other low cost "be seen" light on each of your seat stays or other appropriate place. IMO, that's better safety then any headlight's spillover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleng
    I think you've already made up your mind, I'm totally happy with my dual cross, thats why I have 2.
    two on one bike? or just two, one as a backup or on other bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grun
    two on one bike? or just two, one as a backup or on other bike?
    I've got one on the road bike (li-ion) and one on the wife's mountain bike (ni-mh). Sometimes I use the ni-mh when I need the extra battery endurance. Two on the one bike would be overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kleng
    I've got one on the road bike (li-ion) as its lighter and one on the wife's mountain bike (ni-mh). Sometimes I use the ni-mh when I need the extra battery endurance.
    Hey Kleng, you still around?

    Do you think it is best to get the Li-Ion or the Ni-MH version?

    Can the Li-Ion head, be used with the Ni-MH battery, or must it only be used with the Li-Ion battery?

    Do you know if the charger for the Li-Ion battery can be used for the Ni-MH battery?

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