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slvoid 11-06-07 10:39 PM

USE Exposure enduro maxx, 720 lumens.
 
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/I...Full/22848.jpg
What do you guys think? The entire unit w/battery is the size of a HID lamp head and weighs 315 grams.

It's got 3 seoul emitters. The run times at 720/480/240 lumens are 3/10/24 hours. (240 lumens for 24 straight hours!!). Most 13 watt HID's are ~675 lumens.

Sir Bikesalot 11-06-07 10:51 PM

Manufacturer's link:

http://www.use1.com/exposure/product...maxx/index.php

Looks nice but 300 pounds! Is there a USA distributor? Right now, I'd lean towards Ay-up and Nightlightning for high power LED alternatives. Aussie and NZ exchange rates are much more favorable.

slvoid 11-06-07 10:54 PM

I don't need a workhorse for commuting anymore but something long running for night and weekend tooling around w/o worrying about having to charge batteries too often is good.
Price aside, it seems like there's nothing else out there that packs so much light and runtime into such a small self contained package. It's like, the size of a dinotte light w/o the battery pack.

Ziemas 11-06-07 11:07 PM

Geoman Gear is supposed to be carrying them sometime in the near future. They usually have the best prices around.

http://www.geomangear.com/

EDIT: I just contacted GeoMan and contrary to what they told me three weeks ago, they will not be carrying USE lights.....

Sir Bikesalot 11-06-07 11:15 PM

It does look nice. I couldn't find beamshots of this model but their previous Enduro Turbo can be found here:

http://gearreview.com/2007_led_lights.php#HPSC

(scroll down to about the middle of the page).

http://gearreview.com/images/led2007...ro%20Turbo.jpg

The Maxx should resemble this but should be brighter (3 vs 2 LEDs).

slvoid 11-06-07 11:20 PM

Sweet, i think the 3 newer led's pack 2x more light than the old one.

Sir Bikesalot 11-06-07 11:37 PM

If it came to the US priced at about $450, it would be a no-brainer.

Ziemas 11-07-07 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Bikesalot (Post 5589080)
If it came to the US priced at about $450, it would be a no-brainer.

MSRP is $450.

http://www.exposurelightsusa.com/

Sir Bikesalot 11-07-07 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 5589273)

Well, I think we have a new LED headlight champion. The runtimes at medium and low are unbelievable for a unit that small.

jeff-o 11-07-07 12:19 PM

Impressive!! I wonder which Li-Ion batteries it uses...

ViperZ 11-07-07 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slvoid (Post 5588898)
I don't need a workhorse for commuting anymore but something long running for night and weekend tooling around w/o worrying about having to charge batteries too often is good.
Price aside, it seems like there's nothing else out there that packs so much light and runtime into such a small self contained package.
It's like, the size of a dinotte light w/o the battery pack.

Actually it looks about the size of the Planet Bike Alias HID... Which is about the size of a Red Bull drink. The 600L is much smaller, and the 200L is minuscule

I sure love the convenience of my Alias HID for commuting. It's quick mount/dismount is invaluable.

dekindy 11-07-07 12:20 PM

Is LED and battery technology advancing as rapidly as computer technology does/did?

jeff-o 11-07-07 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dekindy (Post 5591399)
Is LED and battery technology advancing as rapidly as computer technology does/did?

LEDs yes, batteries no.

indygreg 11-07-07 01:46 PM

for $450 that looks like a top choice. 750 lumens is a ton of light. I am a huge Dinotte fan, but I would have really considered this if I were buying today. Dinotte has 600 lumens for $400

Sir Bikesalot 11-07-07 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff-o (Post 5591385)
Impressive!! I wonder which Li-Ion batteries it uses...

Probably not much better than you could buy yourself from places like batteryspace.com. The long runtime is primarily due to the high efficiency LEDs (ie Seoul P4s) and possibly the dimming circuit they've come up with.

Sir Bikesalot 11-07-07 02:42 PM

Now that I think about it, there's not really a dimming scheme. Each LED puts out 240 lumens, so the power settings simply correspond to how many are turned on.

Edit: Now that I think about it again, I bet there is a dimming scheme. One LED at full power could not possibly last 24hr. Their 1-LED Jostick Maxx model only runs 3hrs at full power (240 lumens), but 24hrs on low (which I bet is 80 lumens). LEDs are much more efficient when dimmed.

jeff-o 11-07-07 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Bikesalot (Post 5592191)
Now that I think about it, there's not really a dimming scheme. Each LED puts out 240 lumens, so the power settings simply correspond to how many are turned on.

Edit: Now that I think about it again, I bet there is a dimming scheme. One LED at full power could not possibly last 24hr. Their 1-LED Jostick Maxx model only runs 3hrs at full power (240 lumens), but 24hrs on low (which I bet is 80 lumens). LEDs are much more efficient when dimmed.

Yep, if you check out the output vs. current charts for any of these LEDs, you'll see that is true.

Zero_Enigma 11-07-07 04:50 PM

Hint: Rally for a group buy discount! :)

I wished they had a 4-5th mode with walking/fixing/survival-mode set at say 50-80lm and a strobe/flash mode.

Edit: Ok it has a flash mode. Just RTFA :P

ViperZ 11-07-07 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indygreg (Post 5591910)
for $450 that looks like a top choice. 750 lumens is a ton of light. I am a huge Dinotte fan, but I would have really considered this if I were buying today. Dinotte has 600 lumens for $400

Lumens output per dollar isn't the only qualifier. There is also differences being that the Dinotte offers 2 battery packs for a total run time of 7 hours at Max, versus the 3 of the USE.

Also an issue may be carrying all that weight of the head unit on the handle bars. As much as I love my HID Alias for commuting, I often worry about it falling off the bars while hopping curbs or when hitting big washboard roads in the winter, or off roading for that matter, due to the weight of unit on the bars. That's the primary reason I went to a component system for off roading and for extended road rides. Hpwever the USe may be mor esecure with the Aluminum clamp.

That said, it looks to be a killer light for anybody looking for an integrated solution. At the limited time price of $450. I would jump on one if I didn't have all the lights I needed :D I do like integrated systems!

dekindy 11-07-07 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperZ (Post 5593278)
Lumens output per dollar isn't the only qualifier. There is also differences being that the Dinotte offers 2 battery packs for a total run time of 7 hours at Max, versus the 3 of the USE.

That said, it looks to be a killer light for anybody looking for an integrated solution. At the limited time price of $450. I would jump on one if I didn't have all the lights I needed :D I do like integrated systems!

I was thinking the same thing. I have about that much money in two lights, one of which I have had a whole year so you know how ancient it is technology wise. But I have to use what I have.

ggg300 11-07-07 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma (Post 5593008)
Hint: Rally for a group buy discount! :)

I wished they had a 4-5th mode with walking/fixing/survival-mode set at say 50-80lm and a strobe/flash mode.

Edit: Ok it has a flash mode. Just RTFA :P

hay, why not. who is on point?

slvoid 11-07-07 06:54 PM

The weight is actually 235 grams for the unit, not 280. The l&m lamp head, which I consider pretty light is about 180 by itself. So the extra 55 grams on my handlebars aren't an issue. And they also offer an external battery pack which basically doubles the battery life to 6/20/and 48 hours (sorry VIP... time to open up your wallet :p). The company says that the light actually dims, the 3 LED's are always on.
The measurements make it the same size as the cateye EL200 light and just about the same weight too.
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/imag.../CATLT4096.jpg

ViperZ 11-07-07 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slvoid (Post 5593726)
The weight is actually 235 grams for the unit, not 280. The l&m lamp head, which I consider pretty light is about 180 by itself. So the extra 55 grams on my handlebars aren't an issue. And they also offer an external battery pack which basically doubles the battery life to 6/20/and 48 hours (sorry VIP... time to open up your wallet :p). The company says that the light actually dims, the 3 LED's are always on.
The measurements make it the same size as the cateye EL200 light and just about the same weight too.


I'm Good..... :D

-XLS Extreme, 14 hours (4 packs) 1200 lumens for nighttime daylight power,
-Alias HID, 6 hours (2 packs) for daily commuting
-200L, 4hours (2packs), 200 lumens for Daytime running and road rides in the early evening.
-140L, 4 hours (1 pack) bringing up the rear
-Whole host of Blinky, cluster and single LED's to tack all over the bikes :lol:


However I would like to add something like the USE Joystick, Fenix or similar just to have something else to play with :)



BTW, that is a KILLER price on your L&M Arc. Anybody in need of a lighting system, wanting to spend $200, should talk to Slvoid first!

Zero_Enigma 11-07-07 08:37 PM

I'm curious what the battery voltage and Ah is on the USE unit.

I'm wondering if there is a way to make your own battery and shove in there as a spare. While a self contained unit is clean looking one of the major downfalls I can see if they propritary battery inside and changing it later when it dies out. You'll be paying a lot if the battery is messed up later. With a external battery you can buy another battery from places like BatterySpace and you're good to go again on the cheap.

operator 11-07-07 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperZ (Post 5593947)

BTW, that is a KILLER price on your L&M Arc. Anybody in need of a lighting system, wanting to spend $200, should talk to Slvoid first!

Slvoid is selling his lighting system for $200? A L&M Arc? I'm interested!! please pm me!


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