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Old 01-16-08, 11:54 AM   #1
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Just ordered DiNotte ights (after a lot of handwringing)

I just bit the bullet and ordered the Road Rider's Experience 200 which includes the 200L headlight, 140L taillight, 2 4-cell batteries and a bunch of cables, straps and stuff. Nothing else that I looked at had the small size, lumen output and battery life of the DiNotte. I plan to run both lights off of one battery and alternate batteries to extend their lives. I have no experience with high-end lights and I'm a bit nervous about this purchase, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that this turns out to be a good purchase.
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Old 01-16-08, 12:47 PM   #2
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I think you will be happy. I've got the AA version of the 200 and am very happy with it.
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I bought the 200L duel for my wife's bike. I'm very impressed with that setup. I like the small size, compact battery and ease of use. I mounted one of the lights on my helmet to do some work in my attic and it was great. To me it seems like a very versatile system that can be expanded whenever you feel the need.
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I wish that I would have the good judgment to buy the Dinotte last year. Unless you are totally unaware of the Roadbikereview.com reviews and light shootut and the Gearreview.com Light Shootouts you should have no hesitation at all.

I would be tempted to go for the dual 200L with taillight, 2&4 cell battery combination and a wide/standard lense combination for $434. I like the helmet light for seeing into turns. The large battery could run the wide bar/tail light and the small battery for the standard helmet. And I would have a lot less money invested and longer runtimes and compatability, and on and on and on. Oh well, my existing lights will eventually wear out and the Dinotte will be less expensive than replacing a battery.
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Fenix & Superflash:

The poor (or plain stingy) man's Dinotte
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Ride with the Dinottes once, and you'll wonder why you wasted so much energy hand wringing!
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the headlight will be like any other decent headlight....works fine, does the job

but it's the tail light you will understand why you don't mind trading $$$ for it.
wait till you have cars giving you tons o room all the time. worth it's weight in gold.
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the headlight will be like any other decent headlight....works fine, does the job

but it's the tail light you will understand why you don't mind trading $$$ for it.
wait till you have cars giving you tons o room all the time. worth it's weight in gold.
That's kind of what I was thinking. Actually, the headlight is above at or above par pricewise with other lights of the same power.
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The comments I've received regarding both the 200L headlight and 140L taillight (and their amber daytime light) have ranged from, 'Holy s..., that's a bright light!" to "Damn, that's a bright light!" to "Ow!.. stop it -- that's bright!" and everything in between.



I own both the PBSF and the 140L. The PBSF is cool, probably the best you can buy for the money and its size. It just doesn't compare to the 140L, though.
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The comments I've received regarding both the 200L headlight and 140L taillight (and their amber daytime light) have ranged from, 'Holy s..., that's a bright light!" to "Damn, that's a bright light!" to "Ow!.. stop it -- that's bright!" and everything in between.



I own both the PBSF and the 140L. The PBSF is cool, probably the best you can buy for the money and its size. It just doesn't compare to the 140L, though.
The funny thing is the 200L, really isn't all that bright. The tailight is.
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For like $20 (sans batteries) there is a new found design to the Dinotte. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=368896

Get 4xAA and you're good to go.
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Got it already! Express shipping is FAST. The confirmation e-mail from DiNotte was time-stamped 9:44 am yesterday morning and it arrived at my house at 8:31 this morning. That's less than 24 hours. Now, THAT'S service.

BTW: I had been mispronouncing DiNotte all along; it's Dee-No-Tay, not Die-Not.
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The comments I've received regarding both the 200L headlight and 140L taillight (and their amber daytime light) have ranged from, 'Holy s..., that's a bright light!" to "Damn, that's a bright light!" to "Ow!.. stop it -- that's bright!" and everything in between.
Am i the only one that thinks the DiNotte taillight may be "too" bright?

I figure the purpose of side & rear lighting is to be seen & recognized - not to blind & disorient. I haven't bought the DiNotte tail cause I worry it may be too much, and may cause "target syndrome" among drivers not recognizing it.

I'm sure it depends on the environment too, though. On bright, busy urban streets I can image the Dinotte being just perfect. on suburban & rural roads (like mine) i would expect it to be a bit much.

just my 2c....
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I'm sure it depends on the environment too, though. On bright, busy urban streets I can image the Dinotte being just perfect. on suburban & rural roads (like mine) i would expect it to be a bit much.
Of course, you could spin it and say that you'd need a really bright light for suburban & rural roads to account for higher closing speeds (which need longer sight distances) and you'd still need it to stand out in an urban setting.

I've pointed mine downwards when there isn't as much lighting from streetlights or storefront signage (like along the Mall, in front of the Smithsonian). And, no matter where it's aimed, I try to leave it on Steady mode mainly because I think that the flashing modes would be more disorienting.
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Am i the only one that thinks the DiNotte taillight may be "too" bright?
I have one and I don't think it is too bright. I think the people who say that aren't thinking about how far behind you the cars are that are approaching them. You also need to consider if they are directly behind you or to the side in their own lane (where they're not going to hit you) and out of the "cone of brightness".

When a car is 500 feet directly behind me and going 55mph, I want them to see me and move over. DiNotte brightness is good for this.

When a car is 100 feet directly behind me and still going 55mph, I really want them to see me and move over. DiNotte brightness is good for this.

When a car is 50 feet directly behind me and still gaining on me, I REALLY want them to see me and move over. DiNotte brightness is good for this. If they have already moved over enough to not hit me, then they are getting out of the "cone of brightness" and my light won't affect them so much.

When a car is 10 feet directly behind me, they are dangerously close and I *want* them to be blinded so they'll back off. DiNotte brightness is good for this.

That is why I run my 140R-LI in full strobe mode pointing straight back day & night whenever I am on the road -- I want to live to ride another day.

The only time I consider my Dinotte to be too bright is when another bicyclist is trying to draft me 12 inches off my rear wheel. For that I am sorry, but I'm not worried about them running me over and ruining my day.
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When a car is 500 feet directly behind me and going 55mph, I want them to see me and move over. DiNotte brightness is good for this.
Yup; 500 feet is actually pretty short at highway speeds, even at just 55 mph. It's not even two football fields' worth.

Think of how long a driver's thought process takes:

"Doop de doo... What is that... oh, it's a light, I think -- or is it a mailbox reflector? Ah, definitely a light; is it moving? I think so, so I'll bet it's a bike. I should move over.. do I have room to my left? (check rear mirror for faster cars, check side mirror, make one last check over the shoulder) Yeah, I can move to the side before I pass him."

Now imagine a car going only 55 mph and how much distance it'll cover in that span of time. 55 mph is over 80 feet per second; it takes only six seconds to cover 500 feet.
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Got it already! Express shipping is FAST. The confirmation e-mail from DiNotte was time-stamped 9:44 am yesterday morning and it arrived at my house at 8:31 this morning. That's less than 24 hours. Now, THAT'S service.

BTW: I had been mispronouncing DiNotte all along; it's Dee-No-Tay, not Die-Not.
I hope that is not French! Give us a report when you get a chance.
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Am i the only one that thinks the DiNotte taillight may be "too" bright?

I figure the purpose of side & rear lighting is to be seen & recognized - not to blind & disorient. I haven't bought the DiNotte tail cause I worry it may be too much, and may cause "target syndrome" among drivers not recognizing it.

I'm sure it depends on the environment too, though. On bright, busy urban streets I can image the Dinotte being just perfect. on suburban & rural roads (like mine) i would expect it to be a bit much.

just my 2c....
at medium solid bright it is the same brightness as a cadillac LED taillight when the brake is applied,
so I wouldn't worry about it

when it is flashing it is disorienting to a degree. when on solid medium it stands out but is not offensive.

high mode solid is fuggin bright.

medium mode is still leagues brighter than anything else for a bike in that size
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Give us a report when you get a chance.
I mounted the lights (temporarily) on the bike last night and rode around the cul-de-sac to see how it looked, and I was pretty pleased. As I have no experience with high-end lights it's possible that I'm easliy impressed, but both the headlight and taillight look pretty darn good. The headlight projects a spot that illuminates the roadway far ahead - far better than I expected. When the bike is heading towards you, you can't see past the light. The taillight is awesome. It is bright and has a wide beam that is visible at wide angles to the side. One thing I noticed is that it is far "redder" than the blinky lights, which look kind of orange to me. And the strobe mode is really distracting; if it doesn't get motorists' attention, I don't know what would - although I will probably run it in high-intensity steady mode most of the time.
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Did you put the dual on the bar only? If you have never had a helmet light before, try it. I would not want to be without one. It is so nice to be able to see into turns.

Common advice is to recommend a bar light if you can only have one. IMHO a helmet light is best if you only have one. That way you can always see where you are looking. A bar may be more important for mountain biking. On the road, it is a helmet for me.
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Did you put the dual on the bar only? If you have never had a helmet light before, try it. I would not want to be without one. It is so nice to be able to see into turns.

Common advice is to recommend a bar light if you can only have one. IMHO a helmet light is best if you only have one. That way you can always see where you are looking. A bar may be more important for mountain biking. On the road, it is a helmet for me.
The kit I bought includes one 200L headlight and one 140L taillight; I didn't get dual headlights - it was hard enough to convince myself (and my wife) to spend the $$$ I spent on this one.

If I had gotten the kit with 1 2-cell and 1 4-cell battery, the helmet-mount would be an option, but since I ordered the kit with 2 4-cell batteries, it would be a bit cumbersome to mount the battery to the back of my helmet. I suppose that I could order an extension cable and carry the battery in my jersey pocket if I want to try the helmet-mount. For the time being, the headlight will be mounted on the handlebars. For the taillight, however, I will have to rig up some kind of a mount for the back of my rack. They provided a seatpost mount for the taillight but I intend to carry a seatbag, so the taillight won't work very well there. Besides, I want to get it as far to the rear of the bicycle as I can.
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The kit I bought includes one 200L headlight and one 140L taillight; I didn't get dual headlights - it was hard enough to convince myself (and my wife) to spend the $$$ I spent on this one.

If I had gotten the kit with 1 2-cell and 1 4-cell battery, the helmet-mount would be an option, but since I ordered the kit with 2 4-cell batteries, it would be a bit cumbersome to mount the battery to the back of my helmet.
I'm using the same setup as you, plus a DiNotte helmet light. The standard battery cable is long enough to easily reach to a shirt pocket, and that's with a couple of loops of the cable velcro'd to my helmet. Yeah, 12 AA batteries seems like a lot, but I'm also using 2 Cateye EL-530 headlights and an LD-1000 tail light. That's 22 AAs in all. I like redundancy and had the Cateyes before I got the DiNottes, so I figured I'd keep using them.
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Ride with the Dinottes once, and you'll wonder why you wasted so much energy hand wringing!
I would second that. I recommend just buying the dual 600L system and a 140 tail and call it done. They are expensive, but still a good value. I consider it a reasonable insurance policy.
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For the road, limited to a single light, I like it on the bars. Helmet lights wash out all the road detail for me. Yep I can "see" where I'm going but it doesn't do me any good. There might be a 6" hole in the road and it would be hard to see!
I like bar lights for some contrast & shadows on the road. fwiw.
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