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    Fenx and AAs or P7 and 18650?

    It's upgrade time again, and I want to ad to the Cateye el530 for my nightime rides. Their usually about 30 minutes along suburban streets/paths, and I'm looking for something to compliment the Cateye (which uses AAs) and the Mars 3 (uses AAAs). The extra light from the P7 lights looks good, but that would mean using a third battery size and getting another battery charger to charge the 18650s (and why are the ones on deal extreme so cheap compared to the ones that charge AAs?) - would it be worth adding even more complexity to go with the better lights or should I just get the Fenix L2D premium and use the batteries and charger I already have?

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    Get the Fenix TK11

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    Either way, go with a Fenix. The LD2 which uses AA or the TK11 which uses a protected 18650, is brighter than the LD2 and has a longer runtime. The P7 lights have a really short runtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
    The extra light from the P7 lights looks good, but that would mean using a third battery size and getting another battery charger to charge the 18650s (and why are the ones on deal extreme so cheap compared to the ones that charge AAs?) - would it be worth adding even more complexity to go with the better lights or should I just get the Fenix L2D premium and use the batteries and charger I already have?
    If you end up with a flashlight that uses the 18650 batteries, you might consider a charger with a better performance and safety reputation than the lower-end ones that are commonly available at cheap prices. And of course, "safety" is where using protected 18650 cells is a big factor.

    I recently bought a flashlight that uses 18650 batteries and decided to go with the best recommendation I could find in a charger, so I purchased the Pila IBC charger as sold by FlashlightZ.com. The Pila IBC is on a discount right now via FlashlightZ.com (approx. $37 US plus shipping).

    Pila IBC™ 4-stage Charger, AC Adapter, Carrying Case

    There are quite a few reviews and opinions about the Pila IBC available, especially in comparison to cheap 18650 chargers and some of the risks that can be associated with them and 18650 batteries. My advice would be to purchase only protected 18650 cells and an IBC Pila charger. The Pila IBC charger will also charge several other types of cells, including RCR123 cells when using the proper spacer.

    Here are a couple of links to threads on the CandlePower Forums on the Pila charger, if interested.

    Pila IBC Charger Review

    Pila IBC Charger On Sale
    Last edited by varuscelli; 07-20-08 at 07:42 PM.

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    I agree with post above, get a good charger for the 18650, it seems this will be the battery technology that many of the newer lights will be based on.. You will spend about 60.00 initially getting the charger and a couple of batteries but you will be set for the future..

    I like the TK11, not sure if I love it.. The output and runtime make it a good light, the beam is a little tighter than I like for a bike light.. It is a monster thrower and you will get 2.5 hours on turbo and an additional 90 minutes of general mode which is fantastic for a single cell light.. I wish they would put a mode in between the turbo and general mode and if it used an Orange Peel reflector it would give a little better side spill, it would be a perfect light..

    The P7 is an amazing light but it suffers in runtime.. The medium mode is about 30& of max output.. If they gave it a high mode that was about 60-70% of max output and you could squeeze 2 hours of runtime, that would make it ideal..

    I recently found a nice light, called the L-Mini, it runs on 18650 battery, give 200+ lumens and 3+ hours of runtime.. It is a nice size, the same length as P3D, a little thicker around.. It has nice knurling so it stays put in the lockblocks very nicely.. You can ask for them to send with Orange Peel Reflector so it give's a little more sidespill.. The version 1 over version 3 has better regulation, but only works with unprotected 18650's.. This is not an issue because the light shuts off once it gets to 2.7v, so will not kill you 18650 battery.. Take a look, nice buy for 32.00.. The medium is usable for riding, the low is much too low.. The strobe is much like the fenix, mind numbing and the sos mode is much quicker.. There is a discount code on CPF for 6%..

    http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...sh-mini/Detail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    Either way, go with a Fenix. The LD2 which uses AA or the TK11 which uses a protected 18650, is brighter than the LD2 and has a longer runtime. The P7 lights have a really short runtime.
    I went with the LD2 premium, and now have to wait for it. There's no indication as to how long it's going to take for delivery on their website. Technology is changing pretty rapidly now, and I'll catch up with todays changes later. How'd yo do with the search for the commuter jacket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalrider View Post
    I like the TK11, not sure if I love it.. The output and runtime make it a good light, the beam is a little tighter than I like for a bike light.. It is a monster thrower and you will get 2.5 hours on turbo and an additional 90 minutes of general mode which is fantastic for a single cell light.. I wish they would put a mode in between the turbo and general mode and if it used an Orange Peel reflector it would give a little better side spill, it would be a perfect light..
    I wonder if it's possible to switch out the reflector in the TK11, or is it more or less permanently sealed in? It would be nice if Fenix offered a separate/alternative reflector (as you suggested) to allow more spill and to use in place of the standard reflector. If it were possible to switch them out, who knows but that Fenix might offer an alternative reflector at some point...maybe one that can be purchased separately and installed by the user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
    I went with the LD2 premium, and now have to wait for it. There's no indication as to how long it's going to take for delivery on their website. Technology is changing pretty rapidly now, and I'll catch up with todays changes later. How'd yo do with the search for the commuter jacket?
    I picked up one of the high zoot Taiga jackets. I'm sick and tired of futzing around with cheaply made jackets that fall apart after a year. I'll report back one I have a chance to use it some.

    http://www.taigaworks.ca/html/outdoo...opede-162.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    I picked up one of the high zoot Taiga jackets. I'm sick and tired of futzing around with cheaply made jackets that fall apart after a year. I'll report back one I have a chance to use it some.

    http://www.taigaworks.ca/html/outdoo...opede-162.html
    Whoa, nice looking jacket. Seems like a fairly high price tag, but hey, it looks like one of those cases where "you get what you pay for" works in favor of the buyer getting a very nice, functional, and durable jacket make with rider comfort and safety in mind. And good jackets like that aren't cheap. Interesting venting design, too (hopefully functional in a relatively easy-to-use way). I'll look forward to what you have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varuscelli View Post
    Whoa, nice looking jacket. Seems like a fairly high price tag, but hey, it looks like one of those cases where "you get what you pay for" works in favor of the buyer getting a very nice, functional, and durable jacket make with rider comfort and safety in mind. And good jackets like that aren't cheap. Interesting venting design, too (hopefully functional in a relatively easy-to-use way). I'll look forward to what you have to say about it.
    It has a great guarantee, and is made in Canada. After having two defective jackets in a row from Showers Pass which were made in China I'm willing to pay a little more for something that hopefully has had more attention to detail when being made, and workers who were given a decent wage. If they can produce this jacket of $300 in Canada there is no reason that Chinese made jackets out of similar material should be so expensive.

    I spoke to someone from Taiga in length about the venting system. According to him adjustments are easy to make on the fly, meaning that the jacket doesn't have to be removed to adjust the vent. There are two cords near the shoulder which control the vent.

    It seems to be a well thought out jacket, which has many small features that show that someone actually put a lot of thought into the design, such a removable hood that actually snaps into the lining of the jacket when not in use, thumb tabs at the sleeves for really nasty conditions, and a belt on the inside that prevents the annoying belly bulge that we sometimes get with rain jackets. I also like the fact that it doesn't have a waterproof zipper for the main zipper as they aren't very durable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
    It's upgrade time again, and I want to ad to the Cateye el530 for my nightime rides. ... I'm looking for something to compliment the Cateye .... The extra light from the P7 lights looks good
    The P7 lights are around 10x the cateye lumens.

    You'll be lucky to see the cateye beam at all.

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    Yeah, the TK11. I would advise for two. Always have two on the bar (minimum).

    Bright as hell, possibly blind cagers (though not the point), but increases spread, and you will not go unnoticed. Awesome light.

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