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danny_isr 07-24-08 10:22 PM

Stella-N Vs Vega is it worth the price ?
 
I bought the VEGA on sale at performance for 85 dollars. works good.
i like the all in one. the built in peak charger. solid case.
it's not super bright , but i cannot compare it to anything else.
then i was reading about the Stella -N that can be found for around $150.

power is 85 Lum Vs 180. more then twice.

now my question is , is it worth the price difference ? is it really twice the brightness ?

and by the way , is there anything better in this price range then those two ?

thanks Dan

dekindy 07-26-08 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by danny_isr (Post 7129782)
I bought the VEGA on sale at performance for 85 dollars. works good.
i like the all in one. the built in peak charger. solid case.
it's not super bright , but i cannot compare it to anything else.
then i was reading about the Stella -N that can be found for around $150.

power is 85 Lum Vs 180. more then twice.

now my question is , is it worth the price difference ? is it really twice the brightness ?

and by the way , is there anything better in this price range then those two ?
thanks Dan

Yes, yes and yes.

danny_isr 07-26-08 08:10 PM

ok the, which light is better then those two in this price range ?

dekindy 07-27-08 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_isr (Post 7141834)
ok the, which light is better then those two in this price range ?

That will require you to do current research. I researched this when I was purchasing lights last year but my information was quickly outdated. I am constantly becoming aware of manufacturers that I did not know about and reading reviews about new versions of lights coming out. Plus it depends upon your specific needs.

Do a search on this forum and see if the Fenix flashlights will meet your needs. Bike specific lights generally do not hold a "candle" to the value of general lights. Beyond that the Dinotte Li-ion versions imho continue to be the best value in terms of brightness of light, runtime, size, future upgradeability, etc.

I think I remember seeing that Light and Motion was introducing or has introduced a new model. I have the Vega and imho it really is just an expensive be seen light. I put too much emphasis on convenience and was only able to get by with it because I did only group night riding with experienced riders that had expensive and bright lights. I demonstrated the Stella and it is twice as bright as the Vega but was obsolete when it was introduced. It is a good looking, high quality unit that if it meets your needs would be okay.

I paid twice what you paid for your Vega. At $85 the Vega is certainly the most convenient if it meets your needs. If you want a real light with convenience then BR lights and Exposure lights are the brands I am aware of.

http://brlights.com/index.html
http://www.use1.com/exposure/products/index.php

dekindy 07-27-08 08:18 AM

See pm that I just sent you.

dekindy 07-27-08 08:28 AM

To answer your question here, while not a bike specific light, the fenix flashlight and fishblock bar and helmet holders will meet most cyclists' needs. Do a search and read about it.

https://www.4sevens.com/index.php?cPath=25_66
https://www.4sevens.com/product_info...roducts_id=362

A retired buddy of mine had budgeted $400 to replace his ancient lights. He purchased two fenix flashlights and twofish holders and could not be happier. He paid around $150 plus you would have to purchase batteries and a charger if you do not have them, which we both already had.

If I could only have one light, it would be a helmet mounted fenix flashlight which would be within an $85 budget not including batteries and a charger. For a Lacrosse charger and batteries total cost would be $110 to $120. I found amazon.com had the best price on the LaCrosse BC-900 charger and got Duracell 2650 nimh batteries at Target.

I personally have the Vega and the Princeton Tec SW3 and one Fenix flashlight that I use. If I had it to do over again I would purchase 2 Fenix flashlight and holders or I would get the Dinotte Li-ion bar/helmet combination with tailight for $429.

danny_isr 07-28-08 08:33 PM

from what i understand the fenix gives good light in turbo mode.
but i read somewhere that the malefactors dont recommend using it in turbo for more the 10 min.. is that true ?

i'm not crazy about the idea of heaving AA batteries that i need to recharge out side every time.
VEGA in that matter is just perfect. but like i said , could use brighter light :)

dekindy 07-29-08 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_isr (Post 7155530)
from what i understand the fenix gives good light in turbo mode.
but i read somewhere that the malefactors dont recommend using it in turbo for more the 10 min.. is that true ?

i'm not crazy about the idea of heaving AA batteries that i need to recharge out side every time.
VEGA in that matter is just perfect. but like i said , could use brighter light :)

No overheating issue. If you look at the current thread comparing the Ultrafire and Fenix, one commenter stated that he has used the fenix in turbo mode while jogging in 70 degree temps without any overheating issues. Most high output bicycle lights require movement and caution against leaving them on too long without air circulation to cool them.

I don't know what else I can do other than what I have already done by showing you the BR Lights and Exposure Light alternatives. Currently you will pay dearly for that functionality. That is why I made the same mistake as you did with the Vega, trying to do it cheaper. I was able to get away with it because I ride in a group. Many cyclists find the Vega more than adequate. Some even use it for trails. I have concluded they have younger eyes and better night vision than I.
And the Vega will not fit on a helmet either. It might not be a bad helmet light as a secondary light. But that option is not available.

danny_isr 07-29-08 09:33 PM

yes i understand that the Fenix is superior to the VEGA , but what about the Stella ?

dekindy 07-30-08 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny_isr (Post 7164625)
yes i understand that the Fenix is superior to the VEGA , but what about the Stella ?

I demonstrated the Stella and passed. It is overpriced and obsolete when it was introduced. Light and Motion is not competing well in the LED market. I would still rather have a couple of Fenix flashlights, batteries, mounts and battery chargers for less than the price of one Stella-N.

danny_isr 07-30-08 04:41 PM

ok , so what kind fun time you get charged batteries and turbo mode ?

dekindy 07-31-08 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_isr (Post 7170733)
ok , so what kind fun time you get charged batteries and turbo mode ?

I do my night riding in the winter and the rides last 2 hours. A fully charged set of Duracell 2650's will give you 2 hours run time on turbo. There is not much noticeable difference between high and turbo so you could go much longer on high.

Do you have something against doing a fenix search and reading the hundred or so threads written in the last several months or reading the many threads visible on the first page?

ClydesterD 08-02-08 09:52 PM

I agree with what dekindy's had to say to this point. I have a Vega that I bought in the spring of 2007, wanting the convenience of an all-in-one light and battery, and it was okay for my needs---but just okay. I don't have a Stella, but have read that while brighter than the Vega, it's still not a good value in terms of light output per dollar.

Earlier this year I bought a Dinotte 200L Li-ion as my front headlight and was impressed. It beats the Vega hands down, and gives good run time even on the 2 cell Li-ion battery. I expected to not like the O-ring mount system, but to my surprise I quickly came to like it more than the systems with the permanent mounts. Since then I've bought some more Dinotte 200L's and 140L taillights for my kids' bikes, and have quit looking at alternatives. You can get more light output (for more money) out of higher-lumen lights from Dinotte and others, but the 200L gives me everything I need for commuting and fun night rides, so I see no need to pay more for more.

danny_isr 08-04-08 10:14 PM

i asked Fenix support about mounts and they recommends the "Twofish Lockblocks Flashlight Bicycle Mount" is this is what you guys recommend as well ?


now there is another model the P2D that use Li-Ion battery.
what's the reason that the L2D is so popular here and not the one that use Lithiums ?

thanks Dan

danny_isr 08-06-08 08:29 PM

i forgot to mention , i do have a charger that will charge Lithium Or NiMa . so the charger is not an issue for me. just wonder if the Lithium will give longer runs ? or any other advantage . thanks Dan

chipcom 08-07-08 06:51 AM

I have the Vega and the Stella (Li-Ion). The Vega was my primary commuting light until I got the Stella, which is much brighter, has better battery life and a smart charger. I ride in the winter, so the Li-Ion battery was the better option.

dekindy 08-07-08 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ClydesterD (Post 7193402)
I agree with what dekindy's had to say to this point. I have a Vega that I bought in the spring of 2007, wanting the convenience of an all-in-one light and battery, and it was okay for my needs---but just okay. I don't have a Stella, but have read that while brighter than the Vega, it's still not a good value in terms of light output per dollar.

Earlier this year I bought a Dinotte 200L Li-ion as my front headlight and was impressed. It beats the Vega hands down, and gives good run time even on the 2 cell Li-ion battery. I expected to not like the O-ring mount system, but to my surprise I quickly came to like it more than the systems with the permanent mounts. Since then I've bought some more Dinotte 200L's and 140L taillights for my kids' bikes, and have quit looking at alternatives. You can get more light output (for more money) out of higher-lumen lights from Dinotte and others, but the 200L gives me everything I need for commuting and fun night rides, so I see no need to pay more for more.

I agree with this 100%.

danny_isr 08-07-08 08:35 AM

there no doubt the VEGA is convenient solution. i do like it. but if i can get more then twice the light
for about the same money , i will do it.

noteon 09-08-08 01:22 PM

Just to throw a monkey wrench into a conversation that already seems to have ended, the next generation of the Vega is supposed to be out within a matter of weeks.

http://urbanvelo.org/vega200/
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/ro...5118.46.1.html

dekindy 09-08-08 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by noteon (Post 7425806)
Just to throw a monkey wrench into a conversation that already seems to have ended, the next generation of the Vega is supposed to be out within a matter of weeks.

http://urbanvelo.org/vega200/
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/ro...5118.46.1.html

Great, now L&M is in the ballpark at least. Now they are only one generation behind instead of two. But for how long?

20% more lumens and 50% longer burntime and the size of two AA batteries for about the same price and has been around awhile and gets great reviews.
http://www.totalcycling.com/index.ph...urrency&id=USD

L&M had better get with it IMHO!

ClydesterD 09-15-08 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dekindy (Post 7427929)
20% more lumens and 50% longer burntime and the size of two AA batteries for about the same price and has been around awhile and gets great reviews.
http://www.totalcycling.com/index.ph...urrency&id=USD

Dekindy's link above takes you to a source for Exposure Lights Joystick, a single-LED light analogous to Dinotte's 200L. It's an impressive light (as are the Exposure Lights multi-LED products), and was neck-and-neck in the running with Dinotte when I was looking earlier this year.

The reason I didn't buy an Exposure Light was their (in my opinion) inadequate responses to a couple of emails. The company's headquarters is in the UK, but they have a US-specific website (http://www.exposurelightsusa.com). In response to a pricing question to the US site, which I'd asked based on information I'd seen on the US site, a few days later I received a reply asking me to direct my question to the UK site. Same thing on a follow-up question, only the wait for a reply was longer. I thought these responses portended potential frustration if I ever needed some real customer service. I think the Exposure Lights are great products, and are the best or one of the best all-in-one systems available, but the poor customer service dampened my interest considerably. I bought Dinotte.

slugman 09-24-08 01:06 PM

I've been tempted by the exposure lights lately which got me digging around a bit. I've just placed an order for a new led bulb assembly that I'm going to try to swap into my Vega's body. Might also see about swapping the 4 2000MaH NiMH batteries with 2500MaH ones I've got sitting around. The new bulb (Cree XR-E R2 (WG)) is 7 bucks at http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15943 and is supposedly able to put out ~250 lumens when driven properly. I picked up some other toys there as well.

I'm not under the impression that my 4 or so year old Vega will be able to push that (and not melt...) but should be an interesting experiment when the bulbs get here, probably in a couple of weeks from what I've heard of the store's delivery times. In the likely event I kill the light, I'll hope that the 2009 Exposure's (4 led's on the Maxx Enduro now) are in and will probably pick up something in their lineup.


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