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Old 10-27-08, 09:22 AM   #1
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New: Sigma Sport Rox 9.0 (@$225-250 USD; Edge 705 competitor)

Hi Folks,

(Yea me: months-long lurker no more!) First, thanks to all--- the tips posted here assisted immeasurably in my goal to "get back on a bike", a feat last performed back in the '60s. Hubby and I now have Treks (Pure/crack-forward for me, Navigator for da big guy), and have been cycling 6 days out of the week since our purchases in mid-September.

Next: after studying, literally, hundreds of forum threads here and elsewhere, plus user reviews, I've buried my initial plans to get either a Garmin Edge 305 or 705. Reasons: the odds of the device "just cutting off" are too high, in my view, given the price tag. The fact that Garmin routinely subjects its customers to 30-60 minute hold times, combined with high repair costs beyond the warranty period, eradicated any lingering lust. (I'm a stone cold gadget junkie!) Yes, I know that many/most companies suffer the same ills... but my momma taught me that "just cuz everyone does it..." Simply stated, when there is an option, I will push my dollars elsewhere.

Which brings me to this: Further research unearthed a new does-it-all device: Sigma Sport Rox 9.0. It seems this has been released in Europe, but not yet in the states. Includes software, multiple cadence & hill/grade stats, HR, etc. I wanted to give back to the community which gave me so much, education wise, so I'm sharing my research notes. As I locate additional info, I'll update this post. My hope is that others will do likewise.

**Please** (with sugar on it), and I mean no disrespect whatsoever, let's keep this thread focused on the non-Garmin device(s). I've yet to find an all-in-one info resource on this particular device, so hopefully this thread will ultimately serve that purpose. Posts follow with features list, linkies.

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Old 10-27-08, 09:23 AM   #2
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Features

Features:
STS 3-bus-radio transmission
Digital coded and simultaneous transmission of speed, cadence and heart rate to the in the computer integrated receiver. The STS is not compatible to the DTS system!

IAC height calibration
The new developed IAC (Intelligent Altitude Calibration) offers 3 different ways of height calibration. The calibration by the current altitude, by three starting heights and by the atmospheric pressure reduced at sea level.

General functions
* language setting, 5 languages
* LCD backlight
* low battery indicator
* backup function/through saving chip
* 2 wheel sizes adjustable
* automatic detection of the second bike
* automatic start/stop
* alarm on and off
* adjustable sound volume
* waterproof
* mounting for handle bar and stem

Bike functions
* current speed
* average speed
* comparison of actual and average speed
* maximum speed
* trip distance
* programmable trip section counter


Heart rate functions
* current heart rate
* average heart rate
* maximum heart rate
* 3 zone heart rate
* acoustic zone alarm
* heart rate in % from maximum
* visualization of the heart rate zones
* Kcal
* time in your own heart rate zone

Time functions
* date
* clock
* stop watch
* riding time
* alarm
* programmable countdown timer forward/back

Cadence functions
* Current cadence
* Average cadence
* Maximum cadence

Temperature functions
* current temperature
* minimum temperature
* maximum temperature

Altimeter functions
* current altitude
* current gradient/descent
* current gradient/descent rate
* calibration by the current altitude
* calibration by three starting heights
* calibration by atmospheric pressure reduced at sea level

Uphill functions
* total altitude per day
* maximum altidude
* kilometers per day
* average speed
* rate of climb m/min
* maximum rate of climb
* average gradient
* maximum gradient

Downhill functions
* total altitude per day
* maximum altidude
* kilometers per day
* average speed
* descent rate m/min
* maximum descent rate
* average descent rate
* maximum descent rate

Total values with Bike 1 / Bike 2 / Bike 1+2
* total distance
* total riding time
* total altitude uphill
* total distance uphill
* total riding time uphill
* total altitude downhill
* total distance downhill
* total riding time downhill
* total Kcal

PC Interface/Memory functions
* PC interface
* transmission via USB
* Docking Station
* transmission of the settings to cycle computer
* 7 trip memory
* separate log book
* 78h memory
* adjustable memory interval 5/10/20/30s
* calculate balance time for memory interval
* marking waypoints

Software Data-Center functions
* single memory analysis
* comparison of 2 single memorys
* overview of total value
* computer settings via PC
* battery checkout of computer and transmitter
* synchronisation manager
* print all evaluations
* notice functions
* graphical analysis of your trip (Log)
* analysis heart rate zones
* analysis partition (Log)
* display for memory capacity and balance time

In the Box:
* mounting materials
* ROX 9.0 wireless transmitter for speed and cadence (STS),
* ROX heart rate transmitter belt (STS)
* spoke magnet
* USB Docking Station
* PC software Data-Center 1.0

Speciality:
* STS Sigma Transmission System
* IAC height calibration
* USB Docking Station for a professional data evaluation on your PC

Wireless: Yes

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Old 10-27-08, 09:28 AM   #3
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Linkies

============================ LINKIES:

Pricing:

(I've only checked the rep of Excel Sports thus far; none in stock yet)

$206.49 http://wheelandheel.com/page.cfm?Pag...ils&sku=CY7301
$250: http://hoigaards.com/page.cfm?PageID...ils&sku=CY7301
$87.50: http://highgearcyclery.com/page.cfm?...ils&sku=CY7301
$208.95: http://greatdividecyclery.com/page.c...ils&sku=CY7301
$250.99: http://spokesetc.com/page.cfm?PageID...ils&sku=CY7301

$224 Excel Sports store (Colorado): $224 (not yet in stock; running behind 10/15/2008 ETA)
http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=3&minor=2
FYI: This merchant is new to me, but all seems well:
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-391951.html
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news:
http://news.idealo.co.uk/news/2176/l...ith-stats.html
news item: "Latest Gadget for Bikers: New BC from Sigma Sport overwhelms with stats"
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home page, flash demos
http://sigmasport.us/us/produkte/bikecomputer/
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about the software:
http://www.sigmasport.de/en/produkte...t=1&position=1
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blog notes:
http://backboneracing.blogspot.com/2...rox-rocks.html
http://www.speedgoat.com/blogB.asp?p=1615
http://www.cogswappr.com/?p=215 (also discusses new "iBike Power" Computer(s))
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forums:
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/bbs-for...=41608&posts=3
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Asides:
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2008...ike-power.html (iBike)
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Tip re: Staying informed
After googling this item every which way, conclusion: best bet = sigma "rox 9.0". Actual formal name = "Sigma Sport Rox 9.0". (There is a lesser featured version 8.0). I now have a Google Alert for this (red/bold) search.
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Old 10-27-08, 10:19 AM   #4
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TreoRenegade,
Interesting that you and I are looking at similar devices. I'll definitely check out the SigmaSport.
With that said, I can offer a couple little tidbits of information about SigmaSport itself.
1. Their customer service is VERY good.
2. I have one of their SS PC-15 HRMs. Nice unit, but I have had problems with the buttons sticking/not functioning in the past. Also, the logic they use in the menus does not include sufficient checks to prevent accidental data erasure. This is exacerbated by issues with the sticky buttons. SO I would highly recommend you lay hands on the computer first and get a sense for the feel of the computer before plunking down the $$.

Hope this is sufficiently on point for this thread.

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Old 10-27-08, 11:21 AM   #5
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Gunther,
Points noted. I **am** open to other alternatives as well. I'll check the PC-15 you mentioned-- wanna see if software is available. Ideally, the device will have the capability of d/l'g to the desktop. Thx a bunch!
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This looks like a good unit that I was totally unaware of. Please keep us updated if you purchase one. I have continued to stay on the sidelines regarding wireless computers since my Cateye Astrale 8 has not malfunctioned once in 2 years and over 8,000 miles of use. The Blackburn Neuro has been used by one of my buddies for almost as long as it has been on the market. He has had some issues but likes it for the most part. Sigma Sport computers regularly get good reviews and Cateye's advanced wireless did not have all the features that I wanted, so this might be a good candidate. We shall see.
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TR,
The PC15 is strictly a HRM; no data output to a computer. I have to manually enter info from it into my cycling journal (SportTracks). The recording cycle computer I'm looking at is the VDO Z3PC.
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======================== Inquiry w/Response

Sunday late night (10.26)
Greetings! I've been reading about the Rox 9.0. Would you kindly advise of its likely
date of availability here in the states? Thank you!

Monday afternoon Response (10.27)
<snip>We plan on having these available in the states by Thanksgiving.

Best regards,
James Keller
Sigma USA
1067 Kingsland Drive
Batavia, IL 60510
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Am I missing something. I don't see the GPS function listed. How can you compare this to the Edge 705 or 305?
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Am I missing something. I don't see the GPS function listed. How can you compare this to the Edge 705 or 305?
Ditto on this, I see no GPS function.
http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=3&minor=2

I think I'll stick to the 305 for like $270 @ walmart.com for christmas, I'm not paying $230 for a cyclometer w/cadence.
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It may not have the GPS but it has a lot of other functions and can record the data for later review. Not a bad little feature for those looking to track their rides. How often do you ride in locations where you need a GPS anyway? I'd say 95% of my rides are on familiar roads. The other 5% are just new rides but I generally know where I'm at or going without a map.
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My bad. Thanks for the emphasis. Since reliable stats/desktop-friendliness = my primary focus, and GPS on a bike is merely an also-ran consideration **for me**, I mentally dubbed the Sigma as a "competing device." In my rush to get all the other info posted, I failed to explicitly clarify accordingly. Figured the "features" listing would make the distinctions for me.

BTW, Amazon has the full 350 package for about $236.
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I will have to get the wifee over to amazon.com ASAP, thanks treorenegade.
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It may not have the GPS but it has a lot of other functions and can record the data for later review. Not a bad little feature for those looking to track their rides. How often do you ride in locations where you need a GPS anyway? I'd say 95% of my rides are on familiar roads. The other 5% are just new rides but I generally know where I'm at or going without a map.
This feature is not new. Polar devices such as the 720i were doing this years ago.

In fact, this thread probably should have been a comparison to polar not to garmin.

I don't believe that garmin 305 / 705 have any competition. Wish they did...I'm on my fourth garmin in 18 months.
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I received notification from an LBS here in Indianapolis that they received one each of the 8.0 and 9.0 models. I have not been there yet to look at them. I was focused on getting some winter road cycling shoes this week. Wireless computer is still down the road.

http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/tr...7_1624crx.aspx
One review.

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I don't believe that garmin 305 / 705 have any competition. Wish they did...I'm on my fourth garmin in 18 months.
rodrigaj, were the units faulty or do you keep upgrading? It wasn't clear in your post..just curious....
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I also have been looking at the ROX 9.0 but have not found much in the way of user input because it is so new. I want to put this on the bike I will be picking up next week.
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I stopped by the LBS this week and looked at the units. The digits seem to be large enough for us progressive lens wearers that just have long distance lenses in our optic inserts for cycling. It was a little difficult to tell for certain since the unit had not been set up and all the lines were displaying. There certainly is a lot of information on one screen.
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rodrigaj, were the units faulty or do you keep upgrading? It wasn't clear in your post..just curious....
My 305 units were faulty. My first one lasted less than 30 days. The screen just went black. The other 2 were for the well publicized battery disconnect problem. My fourth one is doing well. Ironically that one is a refurbished unit. Garmin replaces them after a phone call or two.
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So has anyone purchased one of these yet? Feedback?
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So has anyone purchased one of these yet? Feedback?

Three recent reviews here.
http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/si...7_1624crx.aspx
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Thanks Dekindy. Looks like a thumbs up so far.
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I am looking for any comments on the unit not picking up the heart rate monitor if you leave the bike like you would if you were on a breakfast ride or century. The instructions say that it will resynch up automatically. The Blackburn Neuro does not do that and I don't want to have to synch the HR when I resume riding.
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Any more news from owners other than those reviews?

Have to say it is appealing as have no need for GPS and feell this unit has everything else. Plus one thing I really don't like about Garmin is it is yet another gizmo that needs constant charging. Not good for the environment or the energy bills.
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2 Rides on my Rox 9.0 now...

I love it.

I have a friend that has endured 4 warrantied 705s now and countless problems with the software, so it was really a no-brainer for me in going with the Rox 9.0 once I got over my "need" for GPS. In coming over from a flight deck, I was a little hesitant to skip the whole Garmin/GPS scene, since everyone seems to enjoy cranking out maps of their rides, especially on the mtb, but now that I've played around with the Sigma software and have found both the "data center" software, and the bike computer interface to be so friendly - I'm 100% satisfied with my decision. The extra altitude/incline, HR and cadence data that is added on top of what I'm accustomed to getting out of my Flight Deck makes this setup incredibly satisfying.

On an somewhat superficial note, I find that the profile of the computer on the bike is WAY better looking that the relative bulkiness of the 705. I've always thought the Garmins were a little chunky looking for a bike computer...but again, thats a pretty silly thing to get hung up on, but just something that makes my decision to go with Sigma more satisfying.

One more thing: I actually found my 9.0 on ebay about a month ago for 199.99 and then used the MSN 20% rebate on "buy it now" purchases, so I did get a pretty nice deal on my mine....
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