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Old 02-19-10, 11:19 AM   #26
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If I'm not mistaken, a desperate thief can take a sharp stainless sissor and cut a few strand of cable at a time after separating the cable from the jacket and slightly untwisting it instead of cutting the whole cable in one shot. Theif are very innovative minded and will find ways of breaking security with the simplest tools they can get their hands on. The boys out in this one metal shop I often visit showm me some amazing things they capable of doing with old caveman tools.

Edit for: Oh yes btw, they even show me a way to cut through a krytonite U lock silently with a small one feet long cable cutter. It's all portable, no angle grinder with cutting disc involved. Totally amazing. I will not post the method here in public, but I will reveal it by PM and you must also be an active member who post often here, otherwise I don't want to be held liable for your bike lost.

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Old 02-19-10, 12:40 PM   #27
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I'm not trolling, and need for your trash talk here. I was referring to Weavers post 17 that mentioned angle grinder. By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks, but you wouldn't know that because your too busy calling people trolls.
Oh, of course I wouldn't know. I've lived in NY for for 18 year and never had a single bike or bike part stolen in my whole life. I use Kryptonite NY lock that I put around chainstay/rear wheel so a thief can not use a bottle jack for the lack of space. Pitlock locking skewers are used on wheel/seatpost/headset. The commuting/shopping bike is the three speed which is great for NY and also no deraillers/expensive STI shifters to steal. The handlebar is road-type that I like and the thieves do not. This is what I call "practical advice" from my own experience. And what do you have to offer? Some gibberish like "By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks"? Where did I say that they did not? Or "But an angle grinder will cut through a top of the line Krpto U Lock like butter anyways". Are you trying to say that the extra $30 people pay for a quality lock are wasted? So whose talk is pure trash now?

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Old 02-19-10, 05:35 PM   #28
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Oh, of course I wouldn't know. I've lived in NY for for 18 year and never had a single bike or bike part stolen in my whole life. I use Kryptonite NY lock that I put around chainstay/rear wheel so a thief can not use a bottle jack for the lack of space. Pitlock locking skewers are used on wheel/seatpost/headset. The commuting/shopping bike is the three speed which is great for NY and also no deraillers/expensive STI shifters to steal. The handlebar is road-type that I like and the thieves do not. This is what I call "practical advice" from my own experience. And what do you have to offer? Some gibberish like "By the in NY they do use angle grinders and jacks"? Where did I say that they did not? Or "But an angle grinder will cut through a top of the line Krpto U Lock like butter anyways". Are you trying to say that the extra $30 people pay for a quality lock are wasted? So whose talk is pure trash now?
maybe you should read this:http://webecoist.com/2008/08/22/toro...-stolen-bikes/

And read this: http://quickrelease.tv/?p=327

And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7zb8YXrmIA

Here are 10 commandments for keeping your bike: http://www.transalt.org/files/newsro...eyourbike.html

Besides, AGAIN I was responding to post 17, I don't live in NY city...nor want to, but he mentioned Angle Grinder and I assumed he knew those things were being used...are they?

Here is one persons assessment of some locks: http://www.slate.com/id/2140083

But there you go trash talking me when your compliant should be to poster 17.
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You all are so cute.


Lock set comes in in the morning. I ll post what I think.
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Old 02-19-10, 10:18 PM   #30
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You all are so cute.
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Well thank you, but I look better with a dress on.
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Old 02-19-10, 10:46 PM   #31
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Well thank you, but I look better with a dress on.
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Old 02-22-10, 05:20 PM   #32
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I pretty much take my bike with me where ever I go. If a store won't let me in with the bike I rase a little fuss. Not too much, and usually they relent, and let me in to shop for what ever I need. If they won't let me in I simply say "it's your loss", and go somewhere else. I will say that it' usually a Circle K, and I'm on a ride somewhere. But I have done it in restaurants and stores too. Once in a Wall Mart, and once in a Cosco. If you don't let it out of your sight... I know that's not always posable to keep it with you but I just wanted to throw it out there. Happy ridding.
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I pretty much take my bike with me where ever I go. If a store won't let me in with the bike I rase a little fuss. Not too much, and usually they relent, and let me in to shop for what ever I need. If they won't let me in I simply say "it's your loss", and go somewhere else. I will say that it' usually a Circle K, and I'm on a ride somewhere. But I have done it in restaurants and stores too. Once in a Wall Mart, and once in a Cosco. If you don't let it out of your sight... I know that's not always posable to keep it with you but I just wanted to throw it out there. Happy ridding.
You do what I do as well. Even when I credit card tour if a restaurant won't let me bring it in or allow me to park it where I can see while eating I leave and tell them so. Most restaurants only have issues with the bike coming in if your there during peak hours which is understandable, otherwise I've only had a few care. If your fully loaded though you can't bring it in, in fact I don't even know of a store that will let you bring in a fully loaded touring rig except Walmart, I've asked the greeter if I bring it and park it near them where they can watch it while I shop and haven't experienced any difficulties yet.
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I think I should've have purchased either the OnGuard Pitbull or Mini lock instead of getting a Kryptonite combination cable lock. It's an ok lock, just sometimes it takes some force to relase the lock, resulting with me slamming my knuckles on the bike or whatever I secure my bike to. My next paycheck I'll replace the lock with one of those OnGuards.
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I think I should've have purchased either the OnGuard Pitbull or Mini lock instead of getting a Kryptonite combination cable lock. It's an ok lock, just sometimes it takes some force to relase the lock, resulting with me slamming my knuckles on the bike or whatever I secure my bike to. My next paycheck I'll replace the lock with one of those OnGuards.
A cable lock can be defeated in mere seconds, so yes get yourself another lock but use both. If your really worried about your bike getting stolen then don't get the Pitbull or the Mini, these are a tad fragile and can also be defeated in seconds as would any lock Walmart sells; get the Krypto and at least the Evolution series 4 LS (LS stands for long shackle which will allow you do as the pic I gave above does). But If you can afford a bit more get the New York LS.

Get a U bolt long enough to do this: http://www.missinglink.org/Pages/bike_locking
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I will agree that the best lock does not exist, what you want to do is use more than one. When I carry my bike on the truck rack, I lock the frame to the rack with a u lock, then use two cable locks. One cable locks the front wheel to the frame, then to the truck hitch (the rack has a hole to add a ball mount so I can pull a 3500 pound load and up to 4 bikes), the other cable locks the rear wheel to the frame, then to the truck rear bumper.

Obviously, on my truck weight is a non issue. Security is. I might want to stop somewhere for lunch or whatever after a ride.

When I am riding, often I have no locks. I am riding. Very few people bike commute here, public transportation sucks and everything is spread out. My ride to work would be about 10 miles, and I would arrive sweaty. There is no place to shower and change into work clothes. Also, I might get run over by morning rush traffic. Nobody can drive, at least not by USA rules.

If I were to bike commute I would go with a decent u lock, and a cable lock. I would also put on a quick release seat tube, and take the seat with me. A thief would need to defeat two locks, and a bike with no seat is hard to ride.

But if they really want your bike - it's gone. Same with a car, things inside your home, boats, and so on
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If your really worried about your bike getting stolen then don't get the Pitbull or the Mini, these are a tad fragile and can also be defeated in seconds as would any lock Walmart sells;
I'm calling BS; how would you defeat a Pitbull in seconds?
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I'm calling BS; how would you defeat a Pitbull in seconds?
With either a drill, angle grinder, or a jack. In the May 2007 Cycling Plus lock test the Pitbull lasted 18.87 seconds against a drill with a cutting wheel. The Onguard Brute (OnGuard's top of the line lock) lasted 28.95 seconds. The Kryptonite NYFU lasted 2 minutes 59.5 seconds.
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With either a drill, angle grinder, or a jack. In the May 2007 Cycling Plus lock test the Pitbull lasted 18.87 seconds against a drill with a cutting wheel. The Onguard Brute (OnGuard's top of the line lock) lasted 28.95 seconds. The Kryptonite NYFU lasted 2 minutes 59.5 seconds.
Hmm, have you got a link? Was alanbikehouston reading the same article you did? (emphasis added):

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Eli, luckily for the rest of us, one of the methods you suggest is likely to blind or permanently injure the crook that attempts it (which is why it is NOT used by crooks on the street) and none of the other methods you suggest will work on a 2006 or 2007 model u-lock rated "gold" by soldsecure.com or given a top rating by "Cycling Plus".

The most interesting finding in the May 2007 tests by "Cycling Plus" was how MUCH u-locks have improved over the years. The OnGuard Bulldog u-lock, which is a low priced "silver" rated u-lock, could NOT be opened by manual tools. I have both the "mini" Bulldog and the "TC mini". Although compact and light (two pounds), they offer about 90% of the security of the ultra-expensive six pound, and eight pound locks.

www.soldsecure.com/Leisure.htm
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1. The Kryptonite New York 3000 lock. 1757 grams. Lasted more than ten minutes. Sold at your LBS. (The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Chain lock lasted eight minutes against power tools in a prior CP test.)

2. The Squire Paramount Plus. 2047 grams. Lasted nine minutes. A leading UK brand.

3. The Axa-Basta SecuCity Plus. 1604 grams. Lasted eight minutes. A UK and European brand.


After the Axa-Basta, there was a huge drop-off in the resistance to power tools. The next group of locks all lasted less than three minutes against portable power tools. Among the "medium time" group was a "low priced" lock:

The Magnum UL1 ("bargain priced" brother of the OnGuard Brute) 2,335 grams. Lasted two 1/2 minutes.

(The "Magnum" brand is the lower priced line sold by OnGuard locks. Available in the UK and I THINK I have seen some at bike shops in Houston.)


Also in the "medium times" group was a lock from Germany's BEST name in locks:

The Abus Varedo. 1132 grams. Lasted 1 minutes and 13 seconds. The highly regarded German-designed Abus Granit-X-Plus was not tested by Cycling Plus this time, but the Granit-X-Plus has done very well in all prior published tests, and in tests by "Sold Secure" and the ART Foundation. The Abus Varedo shows that even a company as outstanding as Abus can sell some mediocre products that should NOT be compared with their best products.


MINI LOCKS: Most folks don't want to take an eight pound lock on a short ride or when grabbing a cup of coffee. So, "Mini" locks are popular for everyday use. The only tested "Mini" lock that protected as well as the Kryptonite New York 3000 lock against manual attacks was the OnGuard Bulldog Mini lock:

The OnGuard Bulldog Mini. Under two pounds. Lasted 1 minutes and 16 seconds against power tools.

The 2005 model OnGuard Pitbull Mini has a similar design, and should do as well (the Pitbull costs about $35 compared with $24 for the Bulldog - they are essentially the same lock).

Please consider "hunting down" and buying a copy of the April "Cycling Plus" at Borders Books or Barnes and Noble Books or a larger size magazine store. "Cycling Plus" is well worth its expensive $9 price. CP usually includes at least five times the "content" of America's leading cycling magazine. If this "lock test" issue sells well, the editors of "Cycling Plus" will be encouraged to continue their very expensive and time consuming lock testing program.
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This huge article in a special issue looks at 30 different bicycle locks. It's a substantial report that clearly denotes which locks survived assaults by a hand tool and a power tool. Editors describe parts of the lock, features, rating systems and anti-theft warranties. Because this is a U.K. cycling magazine, many of the reviewed bike locks aren't available in the U.S. Among bicycle locks that are available in the U.S., the New York Fahgettaboudit chain lock and U-lock are highly rated. As a budget bike lock, the OnGuard Pitbull STD 5003 gets the nod.

This article isn't available online.
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Maxim magazine enlists the help of Hal Ruzal, a bike mechanic from New York City, in an attempt to break three bike locks, including the OnGuard Doberman 5030, Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock and the OnGuard Brute STD 5001. All three locks were broken by an angle grinder, but the OnGuard Brute STD 5001 wins the test. Ruzal says, "For the price, it's shocking how good this lock is."
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Another quote I found here (again emphasis added)
No, it was never published online. Believe it or not, I don't care either way. You've been given good info.
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No, it was never published online. Believe it or not, I don't care either way. You've been given good info.
I don't care either way either, actually. Was just wondering if you could back up the numbers with anything, since there's apparently a lot of conflicting info on what that article actually said. I heavily researched locks and read a LOT of posts by you slamming OnGuard, but I got a Bulldog Mini TC anyway. It's been great, and it's perfect for locking my Steamroller on 10 minute errands in daylight in Seattle. If I were commuting or something or locking up for 8 hours every day, I would just get another one for $20. I'm fairly sure 2 of these would be more of a deterrent than 1 Krypto NYU whatever, and together they'd still be lighter and a fraction of the cost. Or I'd just go all the way on a $100 chain. Nothing theft-proof about a kryptonite, I had my favorite bike ever stolen in 99 with a cut krypto. Either that or they just used a bic, heh.
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I don't care either way either, actually. Was just wondering if you could back up the numbers with anything, since there's apparently a lot of conflicting info on what that article actually said. I heavily researched locks and read a LOT of posts by you slamming OnGuard, but I got a Bulldog Mini TC anyway. It's been great, and it's perfect for locking my Steamroller on 10 minute errands in daylight in Seattle. If I were commuting or something or locking up for 8 hours every day, I would just get another one for $20. I'm fairly sure 2 of these would be more of a deterrent than 1 Krypto NYU whatever, and together they'd still be lighter and a fraction of the cost. Or I'd just go all the way on a $100 chain. Nothing theft-proof about a kryptonite, I had my favorite bike ever stolen in 99 with a cut krypto. Either that or they just used a bic, heh.
Are you accusing me of making things up? Go to the library and look up the May 2007 issue of Cycling Plus. Why the hell would I lie about such an easily variable thing? On second thought, send me a PM and I'll send you a PDF of it so you can read it yourself.

As for my issues with OnGuard, it's because they were making faulty locks that jammed. After three (I think it was three, it could have been four) jammed on me, my wife, and a friend I have every reason to think they were selling a poor product.
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