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Old 02-17-10, 02:29 PM   #1
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Post your side-lighting ideas here

A forum search comes up with few results for side lighting.

I just found these from Google and am thinking about giving the 9-volt versions a try.

http://toolsforstagecraft.com/ledacc...agemarkers.htm

Post your side-lighting ideas in this thread...
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Reflective tire sidewalls and just mount two inexpensive red bike blinkies on the sides. Those lights in your post are not waterproof, therefore not good for cycling.

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I use reflective tape on the frame and a bikeglow.
The bikeglow is not that bright, but it helps illuminate the frame shape from the side.
I also have a helmet with a wide angle "be seen" LED headlight, it partly lights up my arms and front of the bike as well as being visible from the sides (+/-90 degrees).

Sometimes I would like more light to the side for cars to see before they intersect my route, but I don't want just another point source red light.
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An option: Bike BrightZ @ $19.99 each / free shipping for orders of three or more

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...just mount two inexpensive red bike blinkies on the sides.
Do you have an off-the-shelf, sideways mount for the inexpensive red bike blinkies, or how do you point them to the sides at points on the bike where they will be seen?
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Reflective tire sidewalls and just mount two inexpensive red bike blinkies on the sides. Those lights in your post are not waterproof, therefore not good for cycling.

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I don't ride much in the rain and I would think a bit of heat-shrink or electrical tape would be a good-enough.
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Do you have an off-the-shelf, sideways mount for the inexpensive red bike blinkies, or how do you point them to the sides at points on the bike where they will be seen?
Some mini blinkies comes with velcro strap which in my opinion are garbage as they will have a tendancy to lossen up. Throw the velcro away and slip two small or one medium cable ty wrap and tighten it to the frame or whatever you want to mount in at. I've have two white mounted on my helmet each one facing side ways and one red on my seat stay face slightly sideways and toward the pavement lighting up the road behind me. It get me notice from low and high view. However, I've also notice that car from side street in crossway can judge my distant and position better but it is not always the best thing. Now that they can relate my position and speed better, some jerks will gun through the intersection closer to me from behind before passing me. Good thing or bad thing? You'll be the judge.
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If you have flat handlebars, one option would be to get the road version of the Trek Beacon or similar Soma bar-tip lights. The road versions aim in-line with the handlebar, so on a flat bar they'd point directly sideways. They take 1 AAA each and have flashing or steady modes. The flat-bar versions of the Beacons are also visible from the side, but aim most of their light output 90° from the bar's axis so they shine backwards.

Those Bike BrightZ look interesting, especially since they take AAA cells. I wonder how weather-resistant they are. Some folks wire up an amber Xenon strobe and mount it on their rack so it fires in all directions. I've clipped small generic amber blinkies to the outer pockets of my front and/or rear panniers before.

If you have a hi-vis outer layer, one eye-catching tweak is to put one of those little keychain lights on your jacket zipper so it dangles downward and swings at random. Having your jacket's front and arms illuminated by a moving light on its zipper pull has to be an eye-catcher. Illuminated legbands like the Planet Bike BRT-STRAP, or the Nathan or Nite-Ize equivalents, are another omnidirectional active light you can use.

In the passive-visiblity area, I have substantial amounts of high-end reflective tape on my commuters, and often run reflective-sidewall tires too (yes, these photos again):





The downfall of passive reflective stuff is that it only works when the viewer has lights, which are turned ON, which are aimed at YOU, and which line up closely with the viewer's line of sight. So it has strong limitations.

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I use a Planet Bike BRT Strap on my ankle, it's pretty noticeable. Nite Ize makes similar products, with different mounting options, the Magic Marker is designed to mount along something with a pair of straps wrapping around, It would probably wrap around a seatpost or toptube. They also make a lighted spoke reflectors.
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I use a Superflash on the rear and a Nathan Acid Reflex Snap Band LED around the rear triangle just above the rear brake.. Gives me a reflective view of 360 degrees + flashing leds.. These can also be used around your wrist for better nightime visibility

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Do you have an off-the-shelf, sideways mount for the inexpensive red bike blinkies, or how do you point them to the sides at points on the bike where they will be seen?
Why does it have to be off-the-shelf? A little imagination and improvisation and you can mount anything anywhere Don't underestimate zip ties!

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Although in general I'm a big fan of reflective material, ISTM that for side lighting it's not optimal. Reflectors only work when there's a light source near the observer's eye (like a headlight) that is hitting the reflector, and for side lighting, you're not in the headlight beam until it's too late to be useful.

I think side lighting needs to be active as well.

Personally I think I'd mount two PBSF's on my seat post, pointing nearly straight out to either side (a little to the back). Right now I'm running a Dinotte straight back and a PBSF on my helmet.

I'm not going to do anything myself though, because my route is almost entirely rural and there simply isn't any side impact threat on my route. I do not pass any significant side street or other road entrance where it's a factor. I run the Dinotte because what IS a factor on my ride is cars coming up from behind at 60 MPH.
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I clamp this amber strobe to my left bar end so that those that pass me may have additional encouragement to provide some courtesy room. however I'm thinking of changing this mediocre strobe to a PB/SF as I have on the rear rack.
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The downfall of passive reflective stuff is that it only works when the viewer has lights, which are turned ON, which are aimed at YOU, and which line up closely with the viewer's line of sight. So it has strong limitations.
The great thing about wrapping a tube with reflective tape is it presents a target 360*. So from the side, the tape will always reflect back. Personally I wrap the tubes at strategic points with reflective tape (though I need some of the stealth tape for a more aggressive profile). And I have 2-3 Spoke-Lits on both wheels for passive lighting. My rear fender sports a reflector and on the seat-tube I have a Radbot 1000 which also helps during daytime use. My pack sports LOTS of white reflective tape as well as a PDW Red Planet blinkie. On my upper right arm I wear a safety green Nite-Ize reflective marker band which blinks when I turn it on.

On my body I have safety green reflective snap bands on both my wrists and my legs (for day and night use). Both my jacket and shoes both have reflective piping.

And of course, at night I'm running a 500 lumen light on both my bars and my helmet. The helmet one is important as you can flash a driver directly to let them know you're there. Often in low light conditions I will just run one on the bars in flashing mode.

With the exception of doing a kick-ass stealth tape job, I think I'm covered.
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I clamp this amber strobe to my left bar end so that those that pass me may have additional encouragement to provide some courtesy room. however I'm thinking of changing this mediocre strobe to a PB/SF as I have on the rear rack.
I never thought to use the drops for mounting. Any issue with distraction for yourself?
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no, no distraction at all because my arm blocks it from view. there's a very slight inconvenience of not being able to ride with my hands way at the end of the bar cuz of the crummy clamp I have. I need to make my own custom clamp. but I have plenty of other hand positions. I mostly use strobes for commuting and less for joy rides in the summer
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I use the Nite Ize spoke lights in red and blue to match the colors of our local law enforcement officers. When I see another bike with these or something similar I am quite impressed with their visibility.

http://www.niteize.com/products/spokelit
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The great thing about wrapping a tube with reflective tape is it presents a target 360*. So from the side, the tape will always reflect back.
but WHAT will it reflect back? If you're approaching an intersection and there's a car coming down the cross street, his headlights aren't shining on you until you're right in front of him, at which point you may be screwed if he is only just then seeing you; you'll be flat before his reaction time gets his foot on the brakes.
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I'm a big fan of front strobes and find the traffic from side streets can see it as well. Some front strobes have better lateral spread than others. I have a MagicShine now but this PB front strobe always did a perfectly adequate job alerting side traffic:

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but WHAT will it reflect back? If you're approaching an intersection and there's a car coming down the cross street, his headlights aren't shining on you until you're right in front of him, at which point you may be screwed if he is only just then seeing you; you'll be flat before his reaction time gets his foot on the brakes.
The lights don't have to shine directly at you. Even the side spill of a light beam is enough to make a strongly reflective material visible. As I'm sitting here, looking at my bike through the door, the Axiom logos on my panniers glow just from the light that goes through the door, there is no focused beam of light aimed at the bike.

Still, I like to have both: good reflective materials and powerful lights.

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Amber 3-led AAA powered lights mounted on both sides of a straight handlebar just inside the brake lever mounts. Some similarity to the location of amber lights at the front of a moped/motorcycle. Reflective tires, reflective me (vest + IllumiNITE jacket).

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I've done a few builds with amber side windows on the LED housing. Very effective.




Also looked at side lighting effectiveness for a few common rear blinkies.
See my tests in this thread.

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I ordered a yellow Bike BrightZ to try out. It appears to be close to what I've been wishing for: a yellow/amber LED light bar that runs on AAA (AA would've been fine too) and can attach to the underside of a frame tube, and not as pricey as some of the fancier alternatives like the DLG. Hopefully the quality is adequate to hold up for a while.

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Side lighting, what's that? Just messin. My side lighting consist of Vista Xenon amber front flasher from the side is just ok; bar end lights which are very easily seen from the side; and the rears consisting of a Mars 4 and two Cateye LD600's both of which have really superior side lighting. I don't use reflective sidewalls but do wear reflective clothing and leg bands.
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Cateye LD-1100 and reflective sidewall tires.
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