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Old 04-30-10, 07:54 PM   #1
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Want a new Digital Camera small enough to take along...

Figured this is as good a place to ask as any. I'm looking for suggestions for a small and light digital to replace my old and very heavy Canon Digital. Have had good luck with the Canon as far as brand I'm ok with that. I've also had and liked Nikon stuff in the past.

So I guess I'm not really stuck on one brand. What I do care about is a quality normal to wide lens and quality glass. I don't care if I can zoom 75 times whatever. Faster lens the better for lower light. Enough pixels to not limit me to making small prints. Would like to get the best possible for under $150 if possible.

I'd also love it if it used either AAA or AA. Maybe that's not possible with a light and compact digital? Anyways.. Thanks in advance.

I feel like a newbie asking what bike to buy...
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Old 04-30-10, 07:55 PM   #2
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i started a thread on this about a month ago and got some good suggestions.

i wound up with this:

its about the exact size of a deck of cards, maybe a hair thinner and narrower.

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here's a link, i paid under $90 for it on clearance at best buy...

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Coolpix-.../dp/B002NU3OZ8
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[QUOTE=AngryScientist;10748467]i started a thread on this about a month ago and got some good suggestions.

i wound up with this:

its about the exact size of a deck of cards, maybe a hair thinner and narrower.

What model is that? What batteries? Cost?
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i use my cellphone... it has a 2mp camera and with a little photoshop, the pictures come out aight...





nothing spectacular, but since these photo's are just for fun, it's not that bad... no where as great as my D60, but you know...


my buddy has a LG something and it takes WAY better pictures than my sister's point and shoot... it also takes great macro shots...

anyways... my friend is all into his canon PnS camera... he's a pro photographer... i forgot what model it is... but it does take some amazing shots...
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You can get a used Canon SD750 for less than $100 on eBay. Its really compact, takes a bunch of photos on a single charge, and takes great shots. I've been beating the hell out of mine for 2-3 years now and its still working well.



The only problem with it is that it does get a bit noisy in lower light conditions. Then again this is expected with a camera of its size.



Took this in NY with a long'ish low ISO exposure. I thought it came out pretty well.

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Little bit more expensive, but it's avery nice camera : CanonS90. Pretty much state of the art in a pocketable camera. Fast lens (f:2.0), true wide angle, can shoot raw, and all the creative control one could want.
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i started a thread on this about a month ago and got some good suggestions.

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its about the exact size of a deck of cards, maybe a hair thinner and narrower.

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Little bit more expensive, but it's avery nice camera : CanonS90. Pretty much state of the art in a pocketable camera. Fast lens (f:2.0), true wide angle, can shoot raw, and all the creative control one could want.
I love fast a fast lens. This sounds interesting. Thanks.
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Nikon Coolpix S200. Bough it a couple of years ago. I believe that model has now been replaced by the S220. Great little camera and does a bit of video as well. 8MP. Very nice and affordable. Most point and shoot cameras these days are pretty good even in the lower end models, so you'll be fine with just about most of them.

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One issue I found with Nikon is for video they still use Apple quicktime so we use Canon now. Two other features I like, most Canon models can be had lithium ion powered or AA powered, so someone that wants to trade off batter life for smaller size can get the features they want in a lithium ion model and those that have other gear that take AA's can standardize on one charger/spare.
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Watch out, my Canon DSLR uses Quicktime, but I think it's because it shoots HD video in h.264 (bluray, essentially) format, and AVI just doesn't handle it properly. I'd have preferred they went with MKV but I guess it's not commercially viable enough.
I don't know if the point-and-shoot cameras still use AVI - it may depend on whether they're shooting HD or not.

If you really want AA batteries, the Canon A series has been good but lately they've gutted the line and they're pretty much just cheap plastic cameras now with no manual control. That may be OK with you, and they do still take good pictures and the cheapest one is fairly pocketable for a camera that takes AAs. If you can take a little more bulk, the Canon SX120IS takes AAs and has an excellent lens and a decent sized camera (results in pretty good low light performance).

For a very nice super pocketable camera, you're going to have to move to a camera with LiIon batteries. We bought my daughter a Canon SD1200 last fall and she really likes it. A lot of friends have them too. Many people I know drop a huge memory card in there like a 16GB, and they do back up the images from it to their computer, but they also leave the pics on the camera, so it's a portable photo album. It has the ability to browse photos by date, so you can easily look at images from some event or other.
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I assumed the thread was about P&S not DSLR, I was referring to P&S. We would send short movies to family members that we took on our Nikon and everyone would either ask how to play them or complain about having to download quicktime. I finally found an older version of quicktime that didn't try to install itunes and a bunch of other junk to send along with it. And even after walking people through installing Apple's crappy software the videos were pretty poor quality. Our Canons have all used AVI and the videos are pretty good quality. My cell phone does better quality video than quicktime.
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I'm saying that Canon has moved partially to Quicktime for their cameras that shoot HD video. I think it's likely that the smaller cameras will be shooting h.264 HD soon if they aren't already, and AVI is unsuitable for h.264. So if it hasn't happened already, I think it's inevitable that Canon P&S cameras will be shooting something besides AVI eventually. AVI is really a dying format. Some software has already stopped supporting it.

I don't like Quicktime either, but Quicktime is not what's making the video crappy. It's a crappy camera putting its video into Quicktime. My Canon DSLR is outputting h.264 HD video in Quicktime, and it looks absolutely incredible.

Quicktime is like AVI - both of them are just wrappers around whatever video and audio. Saying Quicktime video is crappy is like opening an envelope full of blurry pictures and saying that the envelope made the pictures blurry. I can make AVI videos that are total garbage too.

Again, I'm no fan of Quicktime, and I refuse to install it on my computer - I've had it wreck multiple Windows installs on me. But blame where blame is due.

Personally I always transcode whatever I send anyway; the AVI straight out of the Canon P&S can almost always be improved upon and usually made smaller. If you transcode anyway, it doesn't really matter what format it's in to start with.

Again, I'm not arguing that if you're getting a camera with a "normal" video resolution, it's probably better to have one that puts out AVI than MOV. But my warning was to not assume that any Canon point-and-shoot you pick up will put out AVI. I think even if the do now, they won't be soon, because soon even $150 cameras will be shooting HD video.
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I don't like Quicktime either, but Quicktime is not what's making the video crappy. It's a crappy camera putting its video into Quicktime. My Canon DSLR is outputting h.264 HD video in Quicktime, and it looks absolutely incredible.\.
Except that I'm comparing equivalent (price/size/features/MP/etc) models of cameras and the ones that record quicktime all product crap video. Maybe Apple has different licensing for it so the DSLR's can license a better transocder but I've yet to see a decent quicktime movie on a P&S and any other format comes out decent. Thats not even taking in to account if you try to instal quicktime on a windows pc and get all the other crap forced along with it now.


Most people would say it doesn't matter, I'm buying a P&S for pictures not video, but it seems that most of the time when you want to catch somehting on video the P&S is the one handy. Our Nikon lived in our diaper bag so it was always with us until I got my new cell phone which takes much better videos the nikon is now sitting unused.
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Here is a cheap refurb that uses AA batteries so you can always carry or get spares.

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...2-FB-R&cat=CAM
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Except that I'm comparing equivalent (price/size/features/MP/etc) models of cameras and the ones that record quicktime all product crap video.
Then that's a coincidence. ItsJustMe is right about Quicktime (and AVI, MKV, etc.) just being containers, and you can put good video in that container or you can put crap in it.

My Rebel T1i outputs in .mov (Quicktime) format, and yet the video is great. (It's not a small digital camera so it's not what this thread is about, but I'm just saying -- it takes great video and saves in Quicktime format. (And no, I don't need Quicktime installed to play it or manipulate it.)
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Yeah, don't get the video-codec format (DIVX/XVID, H264, WMV) confused with the container format (MOV, AVI, MKV, MP4). You can stuff any codec format into any container and it doesn't matter as far as the quality goes. What matters is bit-rate and file-size. An H264 stream @ 3kbps inside a MOV container will look exactly the same as inside an AVI container. However, a DIVX/WMV stream @ 3kbps will not look as good.
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