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ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 08:50 AM

MagidShine Home Upgrade?
 
OK, I've been sorta looking at lights for the past couple of months, and the MS seems to be the best cheap one BUT it has a couple of serious flaws.

I've read these posts on this forum and others where somebody takes the thing apart and really checks it out. My impression is that they all have an Achilles heel, The MS connections come to mind, plus I forget what else.

My question: Since these lights are becoming so popular, has anybody put together a simple set of instructions that will allow the home consumer who is no geek (but not a total idiot either) to bolster the weak links?

I have the impression that these lights could last a decade or two but for these few weaknesses that currently render them little more than disposable. They cut corners and save 5 cents on some dinky little part and your light goes into the trash in a few months. Nobody get offended--I'm not mincing words here--this is my impression.

In other words, instead of just saying, "tsk tsk, the cord will pull out easily because the connection is ****", actually list the procedure for fixing it with commonly available parts from radio shack or Home depot or whatever.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that this has been done--if so, please direct me. Thank you.
EDIT:
Alright, I know it's MagicShine, not Magidshine--Maybe the same guy who designs the fix-your-light kit could find a way to fix spelling errors in the forums titles:D

Given that I could be way off base here, I have mentioned this thread to Mr. Geoman and invited him to address the issue of weak links in the lights. I need a decent light that's going to LAST--I'm sick of shoddy stuff that breaks if you gaze at it . . .

ed 05-21-10 09:53 AM

You should buy one with a helmet mount in new condition that's only been used for 1/2dz rides for $70'ish shipped via priority mail from the midwest and take it apart to see for yourself.

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chelboed (Post 10845374)
You should buy one with a helmet mount in new condition that's only been used for 1/2dz rides for $70'ish shipped via priority mail from the midwest and take it apart to see for yourself.

Gosh, I'd snap it up in a minute--do you possibly know where I could find a good deal like this?

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 10:39 AM

Geoman's response: (This is cut/paste from an email he just sent me)

Hi Clark

What exactly is your issue with the Magicshine lightsets? We found that
many customers wanted a more resistant lightset so we had the manufacturer
repackage the 900 lightset for GeoManGear with the Series II battery which
is very durable and much more water resistant, that lightset is now the
900 Plus. Consumers thought the battery pack was the weak link in the
original 900 lightset and therefore we found a way to repackage and
improve the lightset. There does not appear to be any issues with
connectors that we are aware of.

Thanks!
Geoman
www.geomangear.com
geoman@geomangear.com


Is this the general perception--that all the weak links have been upgraded and this light should last a long time just as it comes out of the box? Please respond if you have praise or a gripe!

rumrunn6 05-21-10 10:40 AM

mine works fine as is, bone stock

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 10:47 AM

I realize that it's going to work great when new--that's why it's popular.

Where are these guys who dissect the lights and point out the soon-to-fail components? I thought at least one of them was on here, and perhaps another on mtbforums.

It's been awhile since I read all that stuff--I'd love to think that the new 900 is truly durable.

rumrunn6 05-21-10 10:54 AM

I understand. they are around. been using mine since November and went right through the winter with it - still going strong.

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 11:23 AM

Another email from Geoman"

"Ok no worries Clark. Your post and email inferred that there was an issue
that we hadn't addressed, obviously we don't make the decisions with
regard to manufacturing the items but we sure suggest as many improvements
to the product as we can. We believe any 900 lighthead issues were
resolved in the early days last year and firmly believe the 900 Plus with
the improved Series II battery should make the entire package a more
durable product."


OK, users, give feedback now or forever regret the missed opportunity!

Ziemas 05-21-10 12:24 PM

If you want something that's going to last decades you'll have to pay a lot more than $90. FWIW, with the constant leaps in LED technology it doesn't really make sense to buy something for $500 with a $120 replacement battery when you can get a whole lighting system with the latest technology for less than $120.

Whatever you do buy within 5 years you will need a replacement battery as Li-ion batteries don't have a very long shelf life and can be charged about 300 times.

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 10846140)
If you want something that's going to last decades you'll have to pay a lot more than $90. FWIW, with the constant leaps in LED technology it doesn't really make sense to buy something for $500 with a $120 replacement battery when you can get a whole lighting system with the latest technology for less than $120.

Whatever you do buy within 5 years you will need a replacement battery as Li-ion batteries don't have a very long shelf life and can be charged about 300 times.

Good points. Is the MagicShine for $90 your choice?

Ziemas 05-21-10 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkinHawaii (Post 10846181)
Good points. Is the MagicShine for $90 your choice?

It's not what I use, but if I were to buy a light today with a separate battery pack it's what I would buy. Just make sure to get the one with upgraded battery pack.

ItsJustMe 05-21-10 05:00 PM

Here's what you need to do:
1-put the battery pack in something waterproof if you're going to ride in the rain. A ziplock or a water bottle.
2-if the connector is hard to get apart, try some lube like petroleum jelly, and if that doesn't work, sand down the bump on the waterproof collar until it slips together and apart with more of a slight thump than a harsh snap. The wire is not particularly robust and if the connectors are difficult to get apart, you'll inevitably find yourself pulling on the wires and they will fray eventually.

That's pretty much it. All the very early problems inside the lighthead are gone, as far as I know.

ItsJustMe 05-21-10 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkinHawaii (Post 10845604)
Is this the general perception--that all the weak links have been upgraded and this light should last a long time just as it comes out of the box? Please respond if you have praise or a gripe!

Here's the wire problem. I don't know if they've started using better wire. If all they've done is to replace the battery with one that's a little more water resistant, IMO they haven't addressed the problem. It looks like the new battery pack is just the old one with some neoprene whacked around it. Neoprene isn't really waterproof, and who knows how good those seams are? It's certainly an improvement, but I'd STILL put it in a plastic bag.

BTW, the light in this picture still works, it's just what it looks like when it starts to go. And I was super careful to always try to not pull on the wire right from day one when I realized how tight the connector was.

http://www.hauntedfrog.com/gallery2/...icture+001.jpg

Richard Cranium 05-21-10 06:45 PM

Very interesting - I was about to purchase a Magic Shine - and I already own both Stella and Dinotte - whew!

Again this goes back to an "led" war - where "lumen count" means everything.

Bottom line - there are professional - fail safe lighting systems designed for consumers, and of course "peformance driven" competitive designs.

Just one-time more - just for effect - UNDERSTAND, YOUR OWN USEAGE - dictates the priorites associated with any bicycle component.

Get a grip.

znomit 05-21-10 07:41 PM

Heres a run through from an early magicshine

http://www.vorb.org.nz/viewtopic.php...26396#p2126396

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsJustMe (Post 10847364)
Here's what you need to do:
1-put the battery pack in something waterproof if you're going to ride in the rain. A ziplock or a water bottle.
2-if the connector is hard to get apart, try some lube like petroleum jelly, and if that doesn't work, sand down the bump on the waterproof collar until it slips together and apart with more of a slight thump than a harsh snap. The wire is not particularly robust and if the connectors are difficult to get apart, you'll inevitably find yourself pulling on the wires and they will fray eventually.

That's pretty much it. All the very early problems inside the lighthead are gone, as far as I know.

Ah, this is just what I was looking for--Thank you!
OK, this connector that is the worst potential trouble-spot--What does it connect and is it necessary to disconnect it at all?
I don't have one in hand, but it appears to be between the light and the bottle-battery, correct?
In other words, is it practical to just leave the light connected to the bottle?
I see myself either leaving the entire unit (light and bottle-battery) on the bike and charging it on the bike OR
Removing the entire unit (light and bottle-battery) for daylight rides when it's not needed.
If I know it's a problem, why disconnect at all?
(I know I've repeated myself--sorry--)

Edit--OK, I did a lot more reading--I now know about the O-ring mount--
Still perplexed about the connectors--is it possible that you charge the battery through the same lead that goes to the light, thus forcing you to disconnect every time you recharge?

ClarkinHawaii 05-21-10 08:49 PM

1 Attachment(s)
HAHA--I like this one--looks like the headlight assembly off a Harley Road King--looks like Sheldon with that eagle on his helmet!
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=151901

Litespeedlouie 05-22-10 12:27 PM

You disconnect the battery from the light to recharge it, with the AC charger. I only do this about once a week. Otherwise, just do as ItsJustMe suggests about the bottle for the battery and the click-shroud on the connectors. Mine has been fine since November through Seattle commutes. If my connector breaks, I will splice in a replacement from the cable extension which was included and I don't use. Or you can substitute any connectors you like.

ClarkinHawaii 05-22-10 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Litespeedlouie (Post 10850229)
You disconnect the battery from the light to recharge it, with the AC charger. I only do this about once a week. Otherwise, just do as ItsJustMe suggests about the bottle for the battery and the click-shroud on the connectors. Mine has been fine since November through Seattle commutes. If my connector breaks, I will splice in a replacement from the cable extension which was included and I don't use. Or you can substitute any connectors you like.

OK, cool, thanks!

ItsJustMe 05-22-10 02:43 PM

I bought some spare connectors via buying more cable extensions from DealExtreme. They're $3.14 shipped from there, shipping is slow but just order 2 or 3 and you'll have them in a month or so. Then if a connector dies, you're all set.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32751

ItsJustMe 05-22-10 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkinHawaii (Post 10848230)
In other words, is it practical to just leave the light connected to the bottle?

as you already surmised, charging is done via the same cable. I think it's the same for most lights. I suppose that you could buy a Y cable, and charge by plugging into that, never unplugging the battery from the Y cable or the Y from the light. The Y would just give you another place to plug the charger into.

ClarkinHawaii 05-22-10 04:35 PM

Thanks!

ed 05-22-10 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkinHawaii (Post 10845577)
Gosh, I'd snap it up in a minute--do you possibly know where I could find a good deal like this?

Sorry man...somebody beat ya to it. Shipped it out early this morning.


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