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    Anyone have any info. about B&M's new LICHT24 lights? Are the added L.E.D.s useful for illuminating road signs (an appealing feature, as the company's "IQ" [L.E.D.] lights otherwise focus almost all light strictly on the street, leaving signs dark), or only for being seen by others?

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    As I understand, the main feature is that you shine the additional LEDs straight into the eyes of other road users during the day, and dim those LEDs for the night while powering on the main lamp. Myself I had no problem directing their lamp with near-illumination, denoted with 'R', so that both the road and signs were illuminated. The real problem was with the Sports version. On the other hand, they only offer Licht24 with 'R'. I think I will pass.

    From their novelties, I can attest that the rear Toplight Line Plus is nice: visible from different angles, pleasant to the eyes and efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_i View Post
    As I understand, the main feature is that you shine the additional LEDs straight into the eyes of other road users during the day, and dim those LEDs for the night while powering on the main lamp. Myself I had no problem directing their lamp with near-illumination, denoted with 'R', so that both the road and signs were illuminated. The real problem was with the Sports version. On the other hand, they only offer Licht24 with 'R'. I think I will pass.

    From their novelties, I can attest that the rear Toplight Line Plus is nice: visible from different angles, pleasant to the eyes and efficient.
    What problem did you have with the Cyo (i.e., "sports version")?

    As far as I know, the LICHT24 will be available on the Fly, the Cyo R, and the Cyo ("sports").

    For a taillight, I like B&M's Selectra Plus, though it seems not to be a very popularly-used item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando303 View Post
    What problem did you have with the Cyo (i.e., "sports version")?
    With Sport version, this has been the vertically too narrow beam. To get some illumination of the area immediately in front, I would have to point the beam excessively down.


    Quote Originally Posted by Commando303 View Post
    For a taillight, I like B&M's Selectra Plus, though it seems not to be a very popularly-used item.
    Along the line of Selectra, I have had the Toplight XS and DToplight on some bikes, both with protruding covers. The problem was those covers getting scratched right on the line of light (particularly XS), when the bikes were being worked on or otherwise. With DToplight I remember the problem of fogging, with the fog hanging on for a couple of days after rain and making the light really dim. As I understand, this is also a problem with Selectra. The newer B&M taillights are watertight, which I find a better compromise - while I cannot tinker with them easily, they are safer this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_i View Post
    With Sport version, this has been the vertically too narrow beam. To get some illumination of the area immediately in front, I would have to point the beam excessively down.
    Do note that this idea has been quite the matter of debate. Some of use don't mind the "far less lit up spot" in front of the bike. Others have found it really uncomfortable. It may be related to the speed you ride at - I ride pretty fast (15-19mph), and the faster you go the less the gap matters. At 19mph, I've either already steered to avoid something 10 feet in front of me, or there's absolutely nothing I can do to avoid hitting it. At 8mph it's a different story.

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    Yeah, I was thinking about getting a Cyo and debated the same question. The strongest point in favor of the nearfield version would've been riding on snowy city streets... you really need to be able to "read" the stuff that's right in front of the bike. But other than that, I do best with the brightest part of the beam down the road a ways. In the end I got a Supernova E3 Pro with the "glare-free" beam pattern, which is rather underwhelming in real life, but I can always add a good LED flashlight as a "high beam," I guess. Or the Pro1200 of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechBgon View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking about getting a Cyo and debated the same question. The strongest point in favor of the nearfield version would've been riding on snowy city streets... you really need to be able to "read" the stuff that's right in front of the bike. But other than that, I do best with the brightest part of the beam down the road a ways. In the end I got a Supernova E3 Pro with the "glare-free" beam pattern, which is rather underwhelming in real life, but I can always add a good LED flashlight as a "high beam," I guess. Or the Pro1200 of course
    lol, I think the Sport version is very, very suited for riding on snow. I did it last winter -
    1. The city lights off the clouds provide a certain amount of light,
    2. The white snow reflects light really well - the "Sport" version does put *some* light right in the front of the bike, just not a lot, and when there's snow it's reflected more.

    Eh. All I know 100% sure is that it's worked well for me in snow!

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    Has anyone yet used the LICHT24 system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando303 View Post
    Anyone have any info. about B&M's new LICHT24 lights? Are the added L.E.D.s useful for illuminating road signs (an appealing feature, as the company's "IQ" [L.E.D.] lights otherwise focus almost all light strictly on the street, leaving signs dark), or only for being seen by others?
    The 24 is simply a light that is intended to be used as a daytime running light. Here is their press release about it (in Engish)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    The 24 is simply a light that is intended to be used as a daytime running light. Here is their press release about it (in Engish)
    I know, I've read the press-release. I just wonder if anyone's actually used the light and developed an opinion of whether new L.E.D.s.

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    Ah. Sorry. I just got a B&M light, but I don't think Peter White has the 24s yet (or if he did, they were too rich for my blood).
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    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Looks cool. Wonder if any of them will work with canti brakes; if not, they'll just have to wait for my next bike build.

    Speaking of the Selectra, I don't know where to get them in the US -- I got mine from a shop during a family visit to Germany. I won't replace it unless I can get one of the newer Line lights.

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    Peter White Cycles has the B&M line taillight available as I just got one from him and have installed it. Much thinner and more compact than the older B&M rack mount taillights as well as not having the protruding LED mounting area which can easily get scratched up.
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    I see Harris Cyclery also has one: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/light...otec-tail.html

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    Wonder when they'll be able to score the LineTec version of the Toplight Flat that's pictured in the press release PDF. My Selectra is still in good shape, though; I'm just waiting for it to get beaten up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    Looks cool. Wonder if any of them will work with canti brakes; if not, they'll just have to wait for my next bike build.
    I have canti brakes and I have a B&M Lumotec IQ Fly. It is designed to mount on the fork crown but it didn't work around my brake cable so I just moved it over a little with a bracket made from aluminum angle stock:



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    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Peter White says he has the LICHT24 series of lights in stock. I guess I might give it a shot.

    *I love my Selectra, through the "Line" light does look appealing. Wasn't there a B&M taillight announced that was supposed to get brighter as you slowed down (like an automobile's taillight does, when the brake is applied)?
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    Commando303 look at Peter White's page on Dynamo powered lights. He shows a DiWa light. It senses lowered speed and lights up as though it was a brake light. No actual switch on the brakes. It would be good enough for me.

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    i wonder if the beam patterns on those new LICHT24 lights are the as on the regular cyo's. i upgraded last year to the new cyo sport light from the old lumotec iq fly. it's an impressive light & i was wondering also if the new LICHT24 with more led's might be even a little dimmer seeing it has to light up more led's....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando303 View Post
    Anyone have any info. about B&M's new LICHT24 lights? Are the added L.E.D.s useful for illuminating road signs (an appealing feature, as the company's "IQ" [L.E.D.] lights otherwise focus almost all light strictly on the street, leaving signs dark), or only for being seen by others?
    that's what i was wondering also. all i know is that the description says is that the driving led is bright at night while the daytime leds are dimmed, then during the day it's reversed. i was wondering if this light is dimmer than a regular cyo seeing it uses more power with more leds....
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    I'd think that there's plenty of extra wattage to use since the plain versions are at full brightness at a walking pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    I'd think that there's plenty of extra wattage to use since the plain versions are at full brightness at a walking pace.
    ya they sure get bright as walking speed, but they are still rated at 2.4 watts with a 0.6 watt tail light for 3 watts total. i wonder if the lights with the daytime running lights get as bright at walking speed when they have to light up more leds. if the main led is the same one used in the regular cyo's the new version with the daytime running lights must have more current drain & maybe they don't get as bright at the same slow speeds, or even at high speeds with the extra drain. i like the bright light at low speeds, i'll keep what i got. i'm sure those daytime running leds ain't really that effective in a bright sunny day anyway....

    just having reflectors on the bike should be enough....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    Wonder when they'll be able to score the LineTec version of the Toplight Flat that's pictured in the press release PDF. My Selectra is still in good shape, though; I'm just waiting for it to get beaten up.
    I, too, saw that new LineTec version of the TopLight Flat; personally, I rather more like the appearance of the TopLight LinePlus.

    I expect to try the LICHT24 system, shortly; I'll try to remember to come back to this thread to post my thoughts, thereafter.

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    I've been able to test the LICHT24 system, now (Cyo R with daytime running lights). Though I'm unable to compare the light with the "non-LICHT24" series, I'll still comment directly on what I did try. I quite like the product. The beam (i.e., the main driving light) is very bright, and burns at maximum intensity at speeds of just a few miles an hour; it doesn't flicker at low velocity, either, as did my halogen head-lamp. The four L.E.D.s below the main light, too, are very bright, but seemingly not so much so they would be an annoyance to oncoming traffic or pedestrians.

    The light features three settings: 1) off, 2) senso, and 3) day. When off, everything is totally unlit; in day mode, the four L.E.D.s are bright, and the main head-lamp is slightly dimmed (rather than be white, it bears a mild blue/purple flavor); set to senso, the item automatically switches between "day" and "night" modes (oddly, one cannot manually select "night"). When it switches to "night," the headlamp becomes brighter (the color is an attractive white) and the four L.E.D.s somewhat dim.

    Overall, I rather like this product. The additional option to manually select night mode might have been welcome, but, as it is, I'm perfectly happy leaving the light on its "senso" setting, which appears to be quite reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    I have canti brakes and I have a B&M Lumotec IQ Fly. It is designed to mount on the fork crown but it didn't work around my brake cable so I just moved it over a little with a bracket made from aluminum angle stock:



    Thanks for sharing, I also face the same problem with V-brake too.This's how i solve it.









    Btw, i feeling like the light is brighter after a week of using it.Anyone feeling like me?
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