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    The website seems solid and the products are tempting. But the returns policy and $20 shipping costs to Utah is pretty much a deal breaker. No offense, but a no returns policy is nearly unheard of in the retail world and suggests you can't afford the overhead associated with returns - which can mean a few things but ultimately does little for my confidence.

    I think I'll wait for Magicshine to fix their battery issue and pull the trigger on a proven product.

    Thanks for sharing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobadfish View Post
    The website seems solid and the products are tempting.
    Can you point me towards the picture of the bicycle there?

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    I order mine last Wednesday and just received yesterday. Not bad shipping time from Canada. Thanks Gemini. So far my impression are positive. I will get a review on it with pictures comparison and bench including current draw test hopefully by this weekend.

    I can say this for sure. It is better built than a MS and and the whiter tint is brighter than the greenish tint from the MS. The reflector is also better. Worth the extra dollar? I'll know better by this weekend.
    "Difference between a well dressed cyclist riding a two wheeled bicycle and a badly dressed cyclist riding a Recumbent is only a-tire"
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    Awesome, please post your thoughts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    I order mine last Wednesday and just received yesterday. Not bad shipping time from Canada. Thanks Gemini. So far my impression are positive. I will get a review on it with pictures comparison and bench including current draw test hopefully by this weekend.

    I can say this for sure. It is better built than a MS and and the whiter tint is brighter than the greenish tint from the MS. The reflector is also better. Worth the extra dollar? I'll know better by this weekend.
    That is very fast from Canada post. Can you confirm that it throws a tighter beam than the MS lights.. I have some friends looking for new lights..

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalrider View Post
    That is very fast from Canada post. Can you confirm that it throws a tighter beam than the MS lights.. I have some friends looking for new lights..
    I used this morning. Here is an patial initial report of the light.

    The reflector does produce a tighter beam. That flooding of spillage of light you get from a MS900 is less with the Titan. It cast out slightly farther because of this and also because if the whiter tint of light. The color of the tint was much better on wet blacktop pavement road than the greenish tint from a MS.

    Last night I did the eye ball and ceiling bounce test where I had the MS and Titan above my head and lights on and pointed at the ceiling. I look down on the floor and cover one light completely than the other back and forth. From what my eyes tell me with those quick switching of lights is that the Gemini Titan was brighter.

    The blink mode is a constant on/off instead of the seizure or SOS mode from a MS.

    The green indicator on/off pushbutton is more sturdy than a MS. I can seperate that silicon plastic cover off of the MS with my nail.

    The nylon cover has a flap such that it help hold the cord in place out from the battery pack.

    The red/green charging indicator light on the charger is brighter than the MS charger.

    ------------------------
    and now the cons


    the connector are same as the MS. Do not yank or tug on them.

    The charger is 1 amp and feels warm during charging.

    Not sure if the UL fake or not.

    The OCV output of the charger was about 8.6 volt. Not sure if it will droop lower under the load of the battery. However the charger did stop charging at 8.3 volts. The charger terminated the charge cycle and not the PCB because after removing from charger the battery read 8.2 volt and if I used the MS charger, it will top of higher. So this really was not an issue, I think.

    The case is nice, but the foam inside is a little weak on the density side. Not really an issue unless you planning to use the case a lot.
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    I ordered two of the batteries from Gemini and charged them last night after receiving them. I'm using the MS charger and measured 8.39 volts (as I think I remember today) from the Gemini battery leads after the MS charger indicator turned green. After 24 hours the unused one is now measuring 8.31 volts, so my memory (the 8.39 figure) may be faulty. I used the other one for 1 hr 15 min tonight on high; it now measures 7.92 volts. I also charged a somewhat worn MS battery (about 1/2 to 2/3 original run-time these days) and measured 8.29 volts. With no load my MS charger measured 8.49 volts output. No guarantees on the accuracy of my DVM.

    OBTW: The Gemini packaging indicated a 5000 mAh battery - yet another number from them.
    Last edited by akansaskid; 01-04-11 at 08:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
    I ordered two of the batteries from Gemini and charged them last night after receiving them. I'm using the MS charger and measured 8.39 volts (as I think I remember today) from the Gemini battery leads after the MS charger indicator turned green. After 24 hours the unused one is now measuring 8.31 volts, so my memory (the 8.39 figure) may be faulty. I used the other one for 1 hr 15 min tonight on high; it now measures 7.92 volts. I also charged a somewhat worn MS battery (about 1/2 to 2/3 original run-time these days) and measured 8.29 volts. With no load my MS charger measured 8.49 volts output. No guarantees on the accuracy of my DVM.

    OBTW: The Gemini packaging indicated a 5000 mAh battery - yet another number from them.
    Hello,

    Thanks for the testing. Our initial battery pack was 5000 mAh but we recently changed to 5200 mAh. The case is that the box is not changed yet. We are planning to use some stickers in order to resolve this issue.

    Happy New Year,
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    Here is a sneak preview of an indoor control beamshot picture I taken as part of mine final review. Hard to see but there is a small ring between the hot spot and the flood due to led mounting position relative to the reflector. Less noticable out on the road.

    "Difference between a well dressed cyclist riding a two wheeled bicycle and a badly dressed cyclist riding a Recumbent is only a-tire"
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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    I used this morning. Here is an patial initial report of the light.

    The reflector does produce a tighter beam. That flooding of spillage of light you get from a MS900 is less with the Titan. It cast out slightly farther because of this and also because if the whiter tint of light. The color of the tint was much better on wet blacktop pavement road than the greenish tint from a MS.

    Last night I did the eye ball and ceiling bounce test where I had the MS and Titan above my head and lights on and pointed at the ceiling. I look down on the floor and cover one light completely than the other back and forth. From what my eyes tell me with those quick switching of lights is that the Gemini Titan was brighter.

    The blink mode is a constant on/off instead of the seizure or SOS mode from a MS.

    The green indicator on/off pushbutton is more sturdy than a MS. I can seperate that silicon plastic cover off of the MS with my nail.

    The nylon cover has a flap such that it help hold the cord in place out from the battery pack.

    The red/green charging indicator light on the charger is brighter than the MS charger.

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    the connector are same as the MS. Do not yank or tug on them.

    The charger is 1 amp and feels warm during charging.

    Not sure if the UL fake or not.

    The OCV output of the charger was about 8.6 volt. Not sure if it will droop lower under the load of the battery. However the charger did stop charging at 8.3 volts. The charger terminated the charge cycle and not the PCB because after removing from charger the battery read 8.2 volt and if I used the MS charger, it will top of higher. So this really was not an issue, I think.

    The case is nice, but the foam inside is a little weak on the density side. Not really an issue unless you planning to use the case a lot.
    The blinking mode is the most annoying feature of MS headlight. If I hadn't already have 3 MS headlights, I'd give this a shot. BTW, my solution to blinking is to run two MS light in SOS mode, together they produce a funky blinking pattern.

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    Vaggelis Monogyios
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    Can you tell us more about your company that's not already on your web page? Place of incorporation, key employees, capitalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    The charger is 1 amp and feels warm during charging.

    Not sure if the UL fake or not.
    Gemini Industries is not listed on the UL certification website.
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    So Tom only hires people that are nutty? Is part of the requirement to be a moderator on this site is that you have to be nuts??
    Forum Guidelines *click here*

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    Quote Originally Posted by CbadRider View Post
    Gemini Industries is not listed on the UL certification website.
    It seem the weakest part of the system so far is the charger. Definately room for improvement in this area. The OCV was questionable to begin with and temperature when it first begin charging could be cooler in my opinion. It did cool off during the last 30-44 minutes before the green light came on.

    BTW, the battery never felt warm throughout the charging sequence which is a good thing. I will know better on the stat of the charger because I'm doing a runtime test on the light and will see how the charger reacts.
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    Some people got their head so far up their butt such that the only thing they hear is muffle when trying to explain anything to them! I only wish they take it out sometimes to smell the roses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDZ View Post
    The blinking mode is the most annoying feature of MS headlight. If I hadn't already have 3 MS headlights, I'd give this a shot. BTW, my solution to blinking is to run two MS light in SOS mode, together they produce a funky blinking pattern.
    I concurred. While some may like that MS blinking mode, it annoyed the heck out of me. Even a blind man would have been annoyed by the ultra fast strobe.
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    Another data point on the Gemini battery:

    I charged a new one for the first time Monday evening with a MS charger that output 8.49 volts. When the charger light turned green, the battery measured 8.31 volts (might have been 8.39, but I doubt it - see earlier post).

    I used the Gemini battery with the MS lighthead. I rode 1 hr 15 min on high with temps in the upper 30s Tues night. Battery measured 7.92 volts afterward. Rode another 2 hrs tonight on high with temps in the mid 40s. Battery measured 7.52 volts afterward.

    Now the messy part: the MS lighthead was still green after the combined 3 hrs 15 min on high. But as soon as I pressed the button to go from high to medium, it turned red and stayed that way through all the cycles and after I unplugged and replugged it. Why's that messy? I recall several posts last year complaining that some MS lightheads would turn red prematurely but still be usable for some time. I know my own has never completely shut off, and I've run it at least an hour regularly on low after the red light comes on.

    So was I at the end of the usable charge in Gemini battery? Dunno. What voltage does shutoff occur at? Mine's down to 7.52 volts after 3 hrs 15 min in cool temps. Draw your own conclusions, but share them, esp. if you have any experiences with the shutoff voltage for the MS lighthead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
    So was I at the end of the usable charge in Gemini battery? Dunno. What voltage does shutoff occur at? Mine's down to 7.52 volts after 3 hrs 15 min in cool temps. Draw your own conclusions, but share them, esp. if you have any experiences with the shutoff voltage for the MS lighthead.
    Two question:

    At 3hrs 15min, did the light shut off? Or can you still continue running it while the indicator light was red?

    When you took the 7.52v measurement at 3h15m, was that OCV (open circuit volt) with everything disconnected or was that with the MS still hooked up and under load?
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    Colleen,

    From my post right before yours:

    Quote Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
    I know my own has never completely shut off, and I've run it at least an hour regularly on low after the red light comes on.
    So, no, the light did not shut off after 3 hrs 15 min when it went to red. And it would still work for a while I presume, based on my previous experiences I referred to.

    So I'd like to know what you and others think the shutoff voltage is, esp. for the MS lighthead.

    The 7.52 volts would be what you called OCV: I just connected the DVM to the battery leads themselves after bringing the battery inside.

    Thanks, Colleen, for all your data and analysis. You're helping quite a few of us out, even the lurkers!

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    The blinking mode is the most annoying feature of MS headlight. If I hadn't already have 3 MS headlights, I'd give this a shot. BTW, my solution to blinking is to run two MS light in SOS mode, together they produce a funky blinking pattern.
    Hey, me too. I was running a "double SOS" light setup last evening, and then turned one light "on" at dark.

    I do not have the experience to know how well these "button cap" switches wear. But one aspect of most any of these lights is the "having to cycle through" all setting to get to "low" or "off."

    Wouldn't the "right way to do it be" - low/med/high/blink? This year, I won't care too much because I've wired one light to use "AAs" - so I'll have all the battery power I need - no matter if I travel or run "high" a lot.

    I've also decided that "bouncing" a blinking Dinotte beam off of a water bottle on the down tube will be my "marker light." I get about 270 degrees of reflective range off a bottle. Don't know if it works, but its better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
    The 7.52 volts would be what you called OCV: I just connected the DVM to the battery leads themselves after bringing the battery inside
    Here is a interesting note and reason why I asked. When I did a Runtime vs battery volt with the Gemini, I noted how a fully charge battery that read 8.3v drop to between 7.9 and 7.8 volts right away. That is 0.5 volt drop and difference in volt measurement. I thought it was the battery and tried with a newer MS pack and my older MS pack and they did the same. I also noted different voltage reading under load and no load when the pack got below 7 volts. So I ended up rigging a cable harness which I can monitor volt reading while the Titan light was still plug in running on HI and the battery was under load. So there is a chance that the 7.5 bolt you measure might actually be 7 volt or even less if it was measure with it connected and light on Hi. If this is valid, then the MS was seeing <7volts, when the red light came on.

    I think you were near the end of the Titan battery capacity at 3h 15m. I'm guessing at 5200 mah battery should give you 3.5 hrs of runtime with a MS900. Here how I came up with that "guestimate". Bear with me here.

    These pack are 7.4v nominal. A 4400 mah pack is 32.6 watt hr. A 5200 mah pack is 38.5 watt hr. A MS900 will run 3 hrs with the 4400 pack which means it draws 10.9 watt hr. Take a 5200 mah pack at 38.5wh/10.9whr and it is 3.5 hrs.

    Second way of looking at it. 5200mah/4400mah is a factor of 1.18........multiply this by 3 hrs and you also get 3.5 hours.

    If my fuzzy math is accurate, you should get another 15 minute of Hi mode runtime. However that might be even shorter depending on when the MS shutoff at which I don't recall myself. Regardless you still should get an addition 0-15 minute of additional runtime.

    Disclaimer: All mention above are not guarantee to be accurate as I am lacking an EE degree.
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    Does the indicator light stay on when the light is turned off? This is one on the annoying things about the MS, along with the lack of a proper blink pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
    Vaggelis Monogyios
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    Can you tell us more about your company that's not already on your web page? Place of incorporation, key employees, capitalization.
    Hello,

    Place of Incorporation is Hong Kong. Gemini Industries is also registered in Canada. Key employees: You can always refer to me and Chris Lai who is our founder and representative in Canada. Rest of the employees deal with production, drafting proposals, administration and R & D.
    Regarding capitalisation there is a long path to get listed. Honestly I do not believe that this is something to discuss in a public forum.

    Regarding UL. We never claimed that we are UL listed. We claim that parts of our light, like battery Cells are UL listed.

    Greets,
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    It sure would be nice if they would respond to the people who have emailed them in regards
    to buying their product.

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    Dear Treausure Hunter,

    Due to high e-mail traffic questions normally take 24 hours to be answered. In case that your e-mail was send before please forward it to us again or PM me with your e-mail address so that we can track it.

    We apologise for the inconvinience.

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    I tried PM'ing but neither you or I were able to send or recieve PM's due to our low post counts, I sent 2 emails 10-11 days ago, and also had a couple other buddies who were interested that had sent emails aswell that went unanswered.

    I will resend.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Rides View Post
    Dear Treausure Hunter,

    Due to high e-mail traffic questions normally take 24 hours to be answered. In case that your e-mail was send before please forward it to us again or PM me with your e-mail address so that we can track it.

    We apologise for the inconvinience.

    Regards,
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    Dear Treasure Hunter,

    Please resend your e-mail. I am personally checking this e-mail account and it is the first time that an e-mail goes unanswered.
    Please e-mail me as we would like to resolve this issue ASAP. Thank you for your help.

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