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Old 04-30-11, 12:35 PM   #26
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Here's some from a ContourHD 1080p (shot at 60fps 720p mode). Keep in mind that we started in the evening and went on into full nighttime, and these cameras don't do very well in low light.
Great quality compared to some videos I've seen out there. No aliasing in the audio either I've seen tons of GoPro and Contour videos where the audio was compressed too much and sounded like a cheap sampling keyboard from the '80s. Yours is perfect! I think those other users probably didn't check their settings before encoding. I always match my audio settings to the original raw file. Video I compress to 3000 kbps and either 720x480 16:9 widescreen (for the Kodak Playsport) or 640x480 4:3 standard (for the Casio EX-S12 digital camera). I lose minimal quality that way.

I do notice a black border around your videos though. I had the same border around my first one with the Playsport until Mr. Beanz told me to set the project to 16:9 widescreen in Windows Movie Maker 2011, which is what I use.
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Great quality compared to some videos I've seen out there. No aliasing in the audio either I've seen tons of GoPro and Contour videos where the audio was compressed too much and sounded like a cheap sampling keyboard from the '80s. Yours is perfect! I think those other users probably didn't check their settings before encoding. I always match my audio settings to the original raw file. Video I compress to 3000 kbps and either 720x480 16:9 widescreen (for the Kodak Playsport) or 640x480 4:3 standard (for the Casio EX-S12 digital camera). I lose minimal quality that way.

I do notice a black border around your videos though. I had the same border around my first one with the Playsport until Mr. Beanz told me to set the project to 16:9 widescreen in Windows Movie Maker 2011, which is what I use.
The black border might be due to Adobe Premiere Elements not having a dedicated 720p upload option, so I have to upload them at 1080p (as you can see, there's a 1080p playback option on the resulting clips). I sometimes use Windows Live Movie Maker, and also have Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD that I should try out sometime. I should also experiment with stabilization in both Premiere Elements and Vegas.
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Old 04-30-11, 02:01 PM   #28
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The black border might be due to Adobe Premiere Elements not having a dedicated 720p upload option, so I have to upload them at 1080p (as you can see, there's a 1080p playback option on the resulting clips). I sometimes use Windows Live Movie Maker, and also have Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD that I should try out sometime. I should also experiment with stabilization in both Premiere Elements and Vegas.
Makes sense Do you happen to know if Sony Vegas will let you make a sped-up video with the audio sped-up as well? Windows Movie Maker 2011 mutes the audio when you speed up the video, so I had to use music on two sped-up videos I made with it, even though I normally prefer to make my videos with original ride audio, no music (with a couple exceptions last winter). When I did a sped-up climb video on a friend's MacBook Pro, iMovie sped up the original audio as well, so it was hilarious to listen to Here's the video made with the Mac:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9FzO4CRqs
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pantpantpantpant !!

I think my vid is 4X, it's been awhile since I made it. Might be 8X... and if I knew how to embed youtube vids that would be great, sorry. This might work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJoxs-4KqZ0

I'd take some pics of the handlebar mount but I have a new bike now, it's not on there yet. The video is shaky as hell, but it's sped up 8 (or just 4) times. Just imagine it 4 or 8 times smoother I guess haha Worried about the mount breaking then just toss the lanyard around the bars like I do, a built-in safety.

Nevermind, I'm hopeless on embedding videos.
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pantpantpantpant !!

I think my vid is 4X, it's been awhile since I made it. Might be 8X... and if I knew how to embed youtube vids that would be great, sorry. This might work..

I'd take some pics of the handlebar mount but I have a new bike now, it's not on there yet. The video is shaky as hell, but it's sped up 8 (or just 4) times. Just imagine it 4 or 8 times smoother I guess haha Worried about the mount breaking then just toss the lanyard around the bars like I do, a built-in safety.

Nevermind, I'm hopeless on embedding videos.
So far all of mine are 4x.

EDIT: Deleted music videos from YouTube to prevent any copyright strikes. 3 strikes and you're out according to YouTube. I have a clean record and would like to keep it that way.

For embedding, click on the little icon that looks like a piece of film. It's just to the right of the "Insert Image" icon.

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I think my vid is 4X, it's been awhile since I made it. Might be 8X... and if I knew how to embed youtube vids that would be great, sorry. This might work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJoxs-4KqZ0
Your bike trail looks a lot like ours. I'll be riding on it in the next couple hours. I love sped-up videos
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For embedding, click on the little icon that looks like a piece of film. It's just to the right of the "Insert Image" icon.
Thanks, maybe I can get it right

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Your bike trail looks a lot like ours. I'll be riding on it in the next couple hours. I love sped-up videos
Believe it or not we're pretty lucky around Cleveland of all places, we have an awesome network of trails/MUPs... (still wish I was in Cali...)
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There's a new Contour camera due soon.

From the article:
Unofficially, it’ll have a wider angle of video capture (170š, up from current model’s 140š, which will match GoPro’s top model). And, as the blurry quick pic after the break shows, HDMI out. We also noticed an external microphone port on the bottom and a nice glowing red light that comes on when the “record” switch is slid forward. A little birdy whispered something about availability in a month or two and that video quality would be bumped up a bit, too.
Camera shake is less visible on a wider angle shot. So this might be worth waiting for.



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There are now "keychain cameras" as low as $10.

Here's a sample video from one. It has the wavy picture problem where the scene being filmed moves faster than the scan within one frame. Still, it's really cheap, and these will probably get better soon.

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On a model plane:

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The lens cover scratches easily if you're trying to wipe mud off it, and replacements are rather expensive... if I have to buy any more, I'll just find a glass lens in that size instead of plastic.
ouch... have you tried flushing off the mud with water? that should flush away the mud without any harm... wiping would tend to grind it in.
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ouch... have you tried flushing off the mud with water? that should flush away the mud without any harm... wiping would tend to grind it in.
That would be the best way, but I'd be doing that every few minutes on a muddy off-road ride, particularly if the camera's on the bike rather than the helmet.

On a related note, I'm trying out Adobe Premiere Elements' "stabilizer" filter. 3 hours left to render just the first clip, and that's with a Sandy Bridge i5 quad-core and 16GB of RAM... yikes

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Do you happen to know if Sony Vegas will let you make a sped-up video with the audio sped-up as well? Windows Movie Maker 2011 mutes the audio when you speed up the video, so I had to use music on two sped-up videos I made with it, even though I normally prefer to make my videos with original ride audio, no music (with a couple exceptions last winter). When I did a sped-up climb video on a friend's MacBook Pro, iMovie sped up the original audio as well, so it was hilarious to listen to Here's the video made with the Mac:
I'll try to find out and post back later. System is a bit busy at the moment

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There are now "keychain cameras" as low as $10.

Here's a sample video from one. It has the wavy picture problem where the scene being filmed moves faster than the scan within one frame. Still, it's really cheap, and these will probably get better soon.
You know they have different versions of those, and the #3 being the best quality of them all. I think there are 9 different ones out. A lot of people out there are selling the crap versions.. if you go here http://www.themicrocamera.com/ they only sell the #3 and also have an HD version that just came out. I'll post video later today of mine.
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That would be the best way, but I'd be doing that every few minutes on a muddy off-road ride, particularly if the camera's on the bike rather than the helmet.
get a small squirt-bottle. i've got a 100ml squirt bottle from an ambulance that was originally full of saline. something like that would be perfect.
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I have been using GoPro HD cameras since these were released and have had no problems. Some of the people I know have been using Contour HD. IMHO, GoPro HD has better video quality (colors are more saturated). Also the 170 degree wide angle setting when recording at 720p gives a better perspective of speed, again my opinion.

It is indeed bulkier when mounted on a helmet but you can mount it on the handlebar, chest, etc., if this bothers you. The controls do indeed take getting used to but after a while you get accustomed to it.

EDIT: Here is a sample video from my 2 GoPro cameras (one mounted in the drops and the other one facing to the rear on the seatpost):
How are you including the elevation, bearing and the other data?
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[QUOTE=Shreck;12571510]I had the GroPro mounted on the front of my helmet just at the bottom edge, I used the head strap mount with the straps removed and fastened it with cable ties and some small foam bits behind to stabilize the mount. I found the helmet mount to be weird on top. On the front of the helmet you would not know its there, plus if you leave the bold loos enough you can swing it down to see if the light is on.

2:31 does that guy have an ipad mounted to his bike??
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How are you including the elevation, bearing and the other data?
All the telemetry info superimposed on the video comes from my Garmin 500 cyclocomputer. Data is exported into a file which is read by an application I wrote which then generates telemetry footage. This footage is synced to, and superimposed on, the ride video. There is much more info on the GPS such as Heart Rate, Cadence, Power output, etc., which can also be displayed on the video but I chose to display mostly the non-personal stuff.
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I'm also using a #3 keychain camera. I just decided that after 24,000 miles with no incidents, I couldn't justify spending much. 'Course, then last week I did have an incident, but it was in the near-dark and wouldn't have been captured on camera anyway.
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I've been researching the GoPro and Contour as well as the Oregon Scientific ATC9K. My friend has a GoPro and has no problems. The video quality on the cameras are fairly similar, though the GoPro comes with the waterproof shell but you have to buy the Contour waterproof shell separately. I've noticed the codecs are both H.264 but the GoPro uses .mp4 container and Contour uses .mov. It's getting a bit technical - .mp4 has more tagging options than .mov - but I think at that point it's just personal preference.
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http://www.idv.net.au/

just saw the link to these. Look very small and the waterproof case seems to be the right type.

I'm presuming that this camera is available elsewhere in the world
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http://www.idv.net.au/

just saw the link to these. Look very small and the waterproof case seems to be the right type.

I'm presuming that this camera is available elsewhere in the world
Of course they put @#$% music over the ENTIRE video, so potential customers can't evaluate the audio quality of the camera. That's a red flag to me.
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I don't know why people feel that they have to put sound tracks over everything. Ah well, there's always the mute button.
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I don't know why people feel that they have to put sound tracks over everything. Ah well, there's always the mute button.
A-freaking-men! I am SO SICK AND TIRED of the infatuation with putting music over every video nowadays. Life is not TV. Too many wannabe producers out there I guess

I only use music when there's no other choice. Like when rain got in the mic hole of my "waterproof" camera during a rainy ride and made the audio sound like crap. Or the times I've made sped-up videos with Windows Movie Maker 2011, which mutes the audio when you speed up the video. Other than that, raw video rules!
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All the telemetry info superimposed on the video comes from my Garmin 500 cyclocomputer. Data is exported into a file which is read by an application I wrote which then generates telemetry footage. This footage is synced to, and superimposed on, the ride video. There is much more info on the GPS such as Heart Rate, Cadence, Power output, etc., which can also be displayed on the video but I chose to display mostly the non-personal stuff.
Is this something you can point us too? I can parse XML but never played with GPX
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Is this something you can point us too? I can parse XML but never played with GPX
Cant you just use this? Looks fun to play around with...

http://www.dashware.net/
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Check out a similar app (open source) by VeryMAdMart:
http://sites.google.com/site/verymadmart/cyclecam
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