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    Calling all "torch" experts -help me "lighten" my lighting -and my wallet

    OK - boys and girls - RC went off the deep end and bought a Fenix TK41. This is an 800 lumen Cree XM-L -big reflector -big battery carrier (8xAA) monster.

    I tried the beast twice now and realize that even if I only run 4 cells it feels like a ton on my bars.

    So now I want all you Internet catalog addicts to refer me to what you think is the best of the best in the way of mid-sized lights that match these specifications.

    Must be based on the new Cree XM-L emitter.
    Must use 2x18650 protected cells or 2 to 4xAA cells.
    Must have far superior "throw" to an MS900

    Or pick any other flashlight over 500 lumen that has a barrel diameter of 25mm or less.

    What would you get?
    Sorry about my comments - I thought you wanted honest feedback.
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    You probably used to the 800 lumen of the TK41 and anything less might not be satisfactory. For almost the same price as the Fenix TK41, I would get a Olight SR51 XML U2. It uses 2 x 18650 with a runtime of 110 min on high. It has a long throw listed. Personally, this probably will be my next light.

    Shiningbeam has a Jetbeam XML 2 x 18650 on their site. It is listed as 830 lumens and much cheaper at $69. That is a good price for a XML torch using 2 x 18650. Not sure about the throw but I suspect it will be superior to the MS P7 since the XML die size is smaller than the P7 and will retain the spot better in the distant.

    You do run a MS tail light? If so, have you consider a MS XML? It has a very good throw in comparison to the MS P7 and much more overall lumen output. You can use the same battery as the tailight which means you can buy the MS XML head only. I got mine from Bikeempowerment. The price of that unit has raised to $56, but look at the mount. It is a solid bar clamp mount. I used that mount and is very happy with it. The MS xml lighthead does not meet your torch requirement but it is a lot light and cheaper than a torch and much lighter than a 2 x 18650 torch.
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    Hey Dick,
    If you look up north you can probably see the glow from my Shiningbeam MC-E flashlight. However, it only uses one 18650. Darn bright, though.
    more cops have been killed by donuts than guns in chicago it is a medical fact ask any doctor.

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    You really do not need a 2x18650 light to get that kind of output.. a single cell xml will be just fine.. Both the lights I have have much better throw than the MS900.. I have a couple extras if you want to drop me a line and give one a try..

    here is a link to a video comparing the xml vs magicshine.. The overall output and throw are far superior to the MS900.. I have used 2x18650 lights and they can be a little long to use on the bars at times..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5A0Z...eature=related

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    SolarForce L2p with an XLM drop-in. I use one, and love it. You can also get a tube extender if you really think you need to use 2 18650.

    http://www.solarforce-sales.com/prod...ame=&s=41&t=LF

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    Wow - answers - some say all I need is the MS XM-L, and I have to admit - if Socal rider's video is accurate, the new emitter appears to have either "just more light" or more light and a "lot more throw."

    Colleen, is that right - does the new MS XM-L really appear to have more throw - besides just a better colored beam?

    Okay, so on the other hand of some you suggest any good old 1x18650 as being identical in power and a lot easier on the bars. What's is the deal on a "drop in? Can you explain a step by step process? Is the emitter already mounted to something that you place inside the bezel?
    Sorry about my comments - I thought you wanted honest feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cranium View Post
    Wow - answers - some say all I need is the MS XM-L, and I have to admit - if Socal rider's video is accurate, the new emitter appears to have either "just more light" or more light and a "lot more throw."

    Colleen, is that right - does the new MS XM-L really appear to have more throw - besides just a better colored beam?

    Okay, so on the other hand of some you suggest any good old 1x18650 as being identical in power and a lot easier on the bars. What's is the deal on a "drop in? Can you explain a step by step process? Is the emitter already mounted to something that you place inside the bezel?
    The throw of the MS XML is satisfactory where I now uses it as my helmet light. It throw much better than the MG rocket XP-G R5 and almost as good as the MG X thrower SST50. It also throw better than the Gemini Titan. As a stand alone light, the beam will not have enough flood, so you will need an additional light for some flood. The color is better than the MS P7 but not as good as most cool white flashlight. It is somehwhere between a cool white and neutral color.

    I atttached a beamshot of a wall from 5ft with the MS P7 in comparison with a MS XML. The xml has a corona spot and a outer ring spot. The outer ring spread rather quickly but the center spot retain even out to 50ft. Here is also two outdoor beamshot I posted elsewhere here in another thread but these picture are higher resolutioin so that you can zoom in on them for better detail.

    http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/...P7hirespic.jpg

    http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/...mlhirespic.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cranium View Post
    Wow - answers - some say all I need is the MS XM-L, and I have to admit - if Socal rider's video is accurate, the new emitter appears to have either "just more light" or more light and a "lot more throw."

    Colleen, is that right - does the new MS XM-L really appear to have more throw - besides just a better colored beam?

    Okay, so on the other hand of some you suggest any good old 1x18650 as being identical in power and a lot easier on the bars. What's is the deal on a "drop in? Can you explain a step by step process? Is the emitter already mounted to something that you place inside the bezel?
    My video compares the MS900 to XML Flashlight not the MS XML.. The Xml's do have more throw and beam is brighter.. You do not get as much sidespill but on the road the MS900 sidespill is wasted..

    The drop-ins are if you already have a host body, many ultrafire bodies will accept drop-ins.. Like I said, if you want to try an XML complete light, drop me a pm or email me, I bought a bunch of them for friends who are getting into night riding and this was the most economical light for most of them.

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    That XML is bright, but I've got a question- does the tight beam help or hinder in fog/rain? Is it going to blind you or is it going to burn through so that others can see you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cranium View Post
    Wow - answers - some say all I need is the MS XM-L, and I have to admit - if Socal rider's video is accurate, the new emitter appears to have either "just more light" or more light and a "lot more throw."

    Colleen, is that right - does the new MS XM-L really appear to have more throw - besides just a better colored beam?

    Okay, so on the other hand of some you suggest any good old 1x18650 as being identical in power and a lot easier on the bars. What's is the deal on a "drop in? Can you explain a step by step process? Is the emitter already mounted to something that you place inside the bezel?
    The emitter is already mounted. You literally just drop it in the host, as you would with a standard filament bulb, except you don't even have to screw it in.

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    I got a JetBeam BC40 and it is already going back. Bad tail switch and I hated the feel of the bezel switch.

    I ordered a Solarforce M8

    I did use my TK41 Wednesday - moonlight cruise - and it was great - but I don't think anyone would want to put up with the weight and size. Run time as expected to too good. Throw - out of this world.
    Sorry about my comments - I thought you wanted honest feedback.
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