Contour HD $179 @ Amazon
I have no affiliation with this, just was sent the link via a friend looking out for me. I'm still not sure what I want to do. This @ $179 or the gopro HD helmet @ ~$255.
3 hours left on this deal. http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/dis...TQBQJXBB3RZX23 |
deal is still going, and google (search for "contour 1300") shows several stores with the same price (including B&H). $180 might be the new price.
i've got a pair of HERO-960s on the bike, front and rear, and when i hear back from contour tech-support after the weekend i'll probably buy one of those for my helmet... it's less weight, less conspicuous and a lot less ugly than a HERO. i'm not a weight-weenie, but a two ounce difference on my helmet is much bigger than two ounces on the bike, especially if i can mount the camera on top. i don't care much about looks, but putting a HERO on top of a helmet is too bizarre looking, even for me; putting it on the front of the helmet seems to make the weight more noticeable. for $180, a contour-hd 1080p on top of the helmet is too good to pass up. i got both of my HERO-960s from jensonusa.com for $180/ea (plus shipping to NZ). http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...p_Full_HD.html http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...eo+Camera.aspx i'm not shooting for IMAX so the 960p is plenty for my rides. there are plenty of comparison videos on youtube. note that the contour-hd 1080p is much better image quality than the older contour-hd 720p, and some of the youtube videos might not specify which version of the camera is used. as far as i can tell, they're all good cameras for the money. probably the biggest difference if the field of view. the HEROs are crazy-wide at 170° and very sharp all the way to the edges. the contours reign that in a bit, but 110°/135° is still decent for most applications. the older contours distorted towards the edges but from the videos i've been watching on youtube it seems like the 1300 (1080p) has it all sorted out. HERO-960: * 170° FoV * ugly, boxy * on a kitchen scale, mine weighs 6oz with the case * file format: MP4 (ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, 3GPP JVT AVC) H.264, AAC-48Khz * SD card (standard) up to 32GB * godawful proprietary mounting system * settings configurable via cryptic display and two buttons contour-hd 1080p: * 135° 960p and 720p - 110° 1080p and WVGA * sleek, sexy * weight: 4.2oz * file format: MOV * micro-SD (come with 2GB card) up to 32GB * godawful proprietary mounting system * settings configurable via software edit: actually, the mounting systems aren't terrible... unless you want to get creative. using them as the manufacturer intends, i don't think they're bad... aside from being proprietary. |
I own both a GoProHD and ContourGPS. I like the GoPro better. I gave more detail about why in this thread.
Note that the GoProHD has crazy distortion around the edges too when in 960p/photo/170 degree mode. Here's some examples in photo mode and here's an example in video mode. |
http://www.amazon.com/Contour-1300-C...8458947&sr=1-1
Looks like it's now on the main ContourHD Amazon page for $179. It's $179 through B&H so I would imagine it will stay at $179. |
Originally Posted by smasha
(Post 12805529)
HERO-960:
<SNIP> * ugly, boxy * on a kitchen scale, mine weighs 6oz with the case |
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 12808330)
This pretty much kills the Hero in my book; do you really want to strap a big lever to the side of your helmet? That's exactly what it's going to be in a fall, not to mention the potential for snagging branches, etc. when riding off road or the extra drag when going fast on the road. The Contour seems to be one of the few cameras designed by someone with an actual understanding of what an action camera should be.
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 12808330)
This pretty much kills the Hero in my book; do you really want to strap a big lever to the side of your helmet? That's exactly what it's going to be in a fall
As for the weight, the ContourHD is 4.2 oz, so it's not *that* much better. (Without the case, the GoProHD is 3.3 oz, but that's probably not important on a bike. (It mattered on my R/C airplane, however, where I made a case for it from coroplast in case the plane crashed.)) Extra drag? It's a pretty small difference. But if it matters, use the chest mount -- which isn't really practical with the Contour at all (or available, not that one couldn't fashion it themselves if the Contour was shaped appropriately.) The GoPro gives you more mounting options. But ultimately, they're pretty similar -- the differences are fairly minor. |
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12808440)
No, it won't be a big lever. Instead, if you hit it hard, it'll just break off. (Same for the Contour.)
As for the weight, the ContourHD is 4.2 oz, so it's not *that* much better. (Without the case, the GoProHD is 3.3 oz, but that's probably not important on a bike. (It mattered on my R/C airplane, however, where I made a case for it from coroplast in case the plane crashed.)) Extra drag? It's a pretty small difference. But if it matters, use the chest mount -- which isn't really practical with the Contour at all (or available, not that one couldn't fashion it themselves if the Contour was shaped appropriately.) The GoPro gives you more mounting options. But ultimately, they're pretty similar -- the differences are fairly minor. |
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12808440)
No, it won't be a big lever. Instead, if you hit it hard, it'll just break off. (Same for the Contour.)
mounting a HERO on front or the side of a helmet, it's 6oz + mounting hardware which, even if you don't crash or snag, is a bit of a lever compared to almost 2oz less (contour) mounted almost flush with the top of the helmet. even mounted on the side, the contour is ~50% lighter and doesn't stick out as far. even if they weighed the same, being closer to the helmet would make the contour feel lighter.
Originally Posted by Sirrus Rider
(Post 12808407)
I use their Chesty mount with mine with far better results than on the helmet. When mounted to the helmet there's no frame of reference as to what activity is going on. You could have it mounted to the hood of a car and not tell the footage from a helmet mount. Also with it's easier to manipulate the controls when its at chest level.
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12806189)
Note that the GoProHD has crazy distortion around the edges too when in 960p/photo/170 degree mode. Here's some examples in photo mode and here's an example in video mode.
the quality of the contours jumped between the older HD 720p and the newer HD 1080p (even when they're both in 720p mode)... maybe what you've seen is from an older version of the HERO? |
Originally Posted by smasha
(Post 12808606)
if you mount a HERO on top of a helmet you'll look like a teletubbie - http://www.google.com/search?q=teletubbie&tbm=isch
the contour is ~50% lighter my HERO-960s are just as sharp and crisp at the edges as they are in the center of the frame. that's 170° @ 960p. the quality of the contours jumped between the older HD 720p and the newer HD 1080p (even when they're both in 720p mode)... maybe what you've seen is from an older version of the HERO? |
@dougmc
1- the countour is a lot less dorky looking on a helmet, IMHO. 2- the mounting hardware for putting a HERO on a helmet is almost 2oz on my kitchen scale. let's say 1.9 + 5.9 = 7.8oz. i don't have the weight of the countour mounting hardware, but i'm guessing the contour + "flat surface mount" is no more than 5.2oz. factor in the HERO's weight being farther from the helmet (which acts like a lever)... contour looks like a big win for helmet mounting. 4.2 + 50% = 6.3 mathematically, i was expressing myself wrong. even without the mounting hardware, the HERO weighs about 50% more than the contour-1300. three contours weigh about as much as two HEROs (with cases). 3- i do wish the Fov on the HERO-960 was a bit narrower, but maybe i'll switch to contours if that turns out to be more usable...? i just heard back from their tech support, and it looks like the only software i need to change the camera's configuration from linux is a text editor. i'll be getting one. all i need to do now is find which retailer has the cheapest shipping to NZ. |
Originally Posted by smasha
(Post 12810030)
1- the countour is a lot less dorky looking on a helmet, IMHO.
2- the mounting hardware for putting a HERO on a helmet is almost 2oz on my kitchen scale. mathematically, i was expressing myself wrong. even without the mounting hardware, the HERO weighs about 50% more than the contour-1300. three contours weigh about as much as two HEROs (with cases). 3- i do wish the Fov on the HERO-960 was a bit narrower, but maybe i'll switch to contours if that turns out to be more usable...? i just heard back from their tech support, and it looks like the only software i need to change the camera's configuration from linux is a text editor. i'll be getting one.. One drawback is that you just have two modes -- 1 and 2 -- and can only switch between these two modes in the field without a computer (or one of the later Contour devices and the bluetooth card and an iPhone app). The GoPro's controls may be cryptic, but at least they're available. If you get the ContourGPS, you'll need their Windows software to get the GPS stream off with the video, though you can dump the NMEA stream with something like this -- strings video-file.mov | grep '^\$GP' and that's pretty easily parsed at that point. (perl, perhaps gpsbabel ...) |
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12810123)
Dude, so you might not be the purple teletubbie any more -- but you're still a teletubby :)
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12810123)
Having it myself, that seems incredibly high -- the case is kind of heavy, but the mounts really aren't.
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12810123)
Both the GoProHD and ContourHD have a FOV of about 130 degrees in 1080p mode. (I've no experience with the Hero 960.)
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12810123)
Yes, that is true -- you can control it with a text file on the sd card. It's not particularly user friendly, but it works.
One drawback is that you just have two modes -- 1 and 2 -- and can only switch between these two modes in the field without a computer (or one of the later Contour devices and the bluetooth card and an iPhone app). The GoPro's controls may be cryptic, but at least they're available.
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 12810123)
If you get the ContourGPS, you'll need their Windows software to get the GPS stream off with the video, though you can dump the NMEA stream with something like this --
strings video-file.mov | grep '^\$GP' and that's pretty easily parsed at that point. (perl, perhaps gpsbabel ...) |
wooo!!! new toy!!! :D
amazon ships that to NZ for $16!!! and the total is cheap enough that i won't have to pay import duties! and i found a good local deal on a 16GB card... which is a nice surprise. ordering that from amazon would push the total price very close to the trigger for import duties. |
Aw man, it's now $230 on Amazon and $250 on BH. What a shame.
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I just bought a JonesCam Ion HD (1280x720p) for $189. Very small and lightweight (32.5g). I like it so far. My first commute incident: http://vimeo.com/25873427
www.jonescam.tv |
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