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    LED dynamo lighting - $150 ish budget?

    Getting ready to lace up a 6V Shimano LX dynohub for my commuter (a Cross Check) . The bike is fendered but rackless currently. I'd like to do a fork crown mount for the front for now. I may add racks in the future though, so versatile mounting options would be good. I'd prefer seatpost mounting for the rear for ease of rear rack installation/removal and not having to mess with fender-routed wiring out on the road. Eventual front rack would probably be a rando-style deal - Nitto M12 or VO equivalent.

    Most of the riding will be in-city so good "be seen" with good standlights is important. I've looked at some beam pattern pictures and such, but I can't say I'm enough of a light nerd to tell the difference, and riding down really pitch black roads will be pretty rare. Good side visibility for the rear would be great.

    This combo looks promising, although shipping to the US is kind of beastly.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-Safe...-/321032470382

    This does too for a front but the configuration seems less ideal for mounting to a rando type rack.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Herrmans-H-O...-/281033801445

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    This is a little out of your price range, but I just got a Shimano 3D71 dynamo and a B&M IQ Cyo N Plus on eBay for a heavily discounted price, about $300 for the pair to include the hub built into a wheel by Handspun Wheels (also on eBay). I love it, and if you're able to afford, I would highly encourage it based on my experience.

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    I second USNDocs recomendation. I've got two bikes set up the same way and it's all the light I could want.
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    Thanks.

    I have heard good things about the Cyo design generally. I looked at that model and the beam pattern does seem good for what I'll be doing.

    I suppose I could do the front first and add a taillight later. I have a battery blinky and a helmet lighting system with a rear light, so I'm not in a huge hurry on that.

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    That guy does some pretty extensive testing on dyno lighting so you should check out the rest of his site. An alternative you should seriously consider is the Phillips Saferide 80 which can be both battery powered AND dyno powered and has a better output. He also reviewed that one:
    http://swhs.home.xs4all.nl/fiets/tes.../index_en.html

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    I've got one bike with an eDelux and one with the Cyo R. The eDelux is slightly brighter, but both of these are rather sensitive to the up/down pointing of the light, and with a bit of tweaking the Cyo can look brighter.

    On a budget, I'd look at B&M's new (last year) Lyt, at half the price of the Cyo, for most riding. The Lyt is probably fine for suburban night rides.

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    I've never tried it, but I don't think the Philips is going to mount on a rack very well without having a bracket machined. I have a couple of B&M Lyts, and they are adequate for the commuting I do, but I wouldn't be happy with them while randonneuring. I took the OP's budget to include only the headlight and taillight. The Toplight Line Plus is $37 and B&M IQ Cyo N Plus is $107, so that would be about $150. I think you would be pretty happy with those. The Phillips might be a marginally better light, but in use, you aren't going to be disappointed with the Cyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    I took the OP's budget to include only the headlight and taillight.
    This is correct. I will be building my own wheel on an LX hub I've already purchased. In fact it's been sitting in the box taunting me since August or so

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    This is my system, under $300. Been running it for the last 2500 miles, no complaints.
    Note: Light is ALWAYS on.


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    http://handspunwheels.com/products/view_product/1745/

    http://www.sp-dynamo.com/LS003.html

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SP-hub-dynam...item3f1ceb872c

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    Would be nice if there were some pre-made 26" wheels with a disc compatible dynamo hub along with a rim brake compatible rim. The handspun wheels only offer one or the other. I've built wheels in the past, but I'm low on time now, and the handspun wheels are attractively priced, just not the right combo. :/
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    I usually don't go to Amazon for bike parts, but I've dumped a buttload of money at the LBS and I didn't want to make them talk to Peter White again just now, so I ordered one of THESE
    I'm really happy with the performance of my DToplight XS Plus even though Peter White says the Toplight line plus is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    An alternative you should seriously consider is the Phillips Saferide 80 which can be both battery powered AND dyno powered...
    While that is technically true, given the same argument, one can say the same of most (if not all) USB charged lights. Basically, what you're doing is running a AC>DC convertor off a dynamo hub which will then charge the light through its USB charging port. This may not be the most practical because I don't know how well that connector will take to that kind of "running" stress. It certainly doesn't look too sealed at that point either.

    But that begs the question (and I apologize for the topic drift). Discounting 5-minute standlights, why don't manufacturers make a dynamo-powered light with significant power reserves (30 minutes at full power?) but can also be charged by an alternative source (e.g., USB)? Dynamo-powered lights aren't exactly big power hogs so having enough reserves to run for 30 minutes shouldn't need too big of a battery (a single 18650?). This kind of light will be useful for tube changes and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebede View Post
    This is my system, under $300. Been running it for the last 2500 miles, no complaints.
    Note: Light is ALWAYS on.
    How do you like your SP light? Have you got anything else to compare it to, like an Edelux? I'm looking for a new dynamo light for randonneuring and am contemplating the new B&M Lumotec IQ2 Luxos. However, the IQ2 is a bit pricey (almost up to an Edelux) and if I can get 80-90% the performance for less than half the price, I may just try that lower-cost option instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne View Post
    Would be nice if there were some pre-made 26" wheels with a disc compatible dynamo hub along with a rim brake compatible rim. The handspun wheels only offer one or the other. I've built wheels in the past, but I'm low on time now, and the handspun wheels are attractively priced, just not the right combo. :/
    The LX hubs I bought are centerlock. You might want to double check to see if this wheel has the centerlock hub. If so you're in business.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Handspun-Pav...-/360536547893

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    I checked On-One where I bought my LX hubs. Looks like they're gone now, but they were like $45 US a pop and 100ish grams lighter than Alfine. Shipping was a bear but I bought some other stuff too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fly View Post
    How do you like your SP light? Have you got anything else to compare it to, like an Edelux? I'm looking for a new dynamo light for randonneuring and am contemplating the new B&M Lumotec IQ2 Luxos. However, the IQ2 is a bit pricey (almost up to an Edelux) and if I can get 80-90% the performance for less than half the price, I may just try that lower-cost option instead.
    I have limited experience with Dynamo lights, I have owned two others besides the SP, Planet Bike and a unit that came on my Dahon Speed TR (name?). SP has been trouble free since mounting on Fork Crown about 2500 miles ago.

    What I like about the SP,
    -Well thought out beam pattern.
    -Adequate Brightness for my use (morning commute thru partial lit residential areas)
    -Always on, no fuss, just works, daylight running light
    -Comes with decent mount for handlebars or Fork Crown
    -Of the three I own this is the best.


    What I don't like
    Plastic
    no on off switch (always on) (would be nice to turn it off at times)
    Could come with longer leads

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    I have 2 Avenir 3 watt dyno lights in front and a B & M toplight flat plus in the rear.....more than happy with that setup......all for about $80.

    The Avenir lights I've only had for about a month,nothing fancy,plastic housings,but they have a nice shaped beam,stand light,leads for a rear light....best $27 I've spent on a light.

    As much as I hate chinese junk,I'd buy these again in a second.Nice light for the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
    I have 2 Avenir 3 watt dyno lights in front and a B & M toplight flat plus in the rear.....more than happy with that setup......all for about $80.

    The Avenir lights I've only had for about a month,nothing fancy,plastic housings,but they have a nice shaped beam,stand light,leads for a rear light....best $27 I've spent on a light.

    As much as I hate chinese junk,I'd buy these again in a second.Nice light for the money.
    So maybe this will make you feel a little better - : Avenir is a member of the Raleigh America family of brands based in Kent, Wash.

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    I wish they were made in Washington.......If they are,somebody should wake up QC.....because the gaskets were loose in the head after they glued the head on.Not the end of the world,I just sealed them myself.

    I'm not complaining,I'll still buy them for $27.
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    Good luck with your setup.

    I've got a dynamo (a bit out of the $150 limit, I'm afraid). A Shimano Alfine hub powering an Edelux light and a taillight (I forget, but it is bright and has a built-in reflector).

    Dynamo lights are great. Mine has proved reliable, and it even kicks on when it gets dim. I don't have to think about it.

    I don't know why dynamo systems are not more popular with commuters. Yes, a system costs money, but I've found it to be money well-spent.

    And my lights never run out of batteries. Can't say that about my previous arrangement.

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    I own the nightrider 650 it's a great light and in your budget.

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    FYI, after purchasing one of the Avenir lights a couple of weeks ago, it flaked out on it's inaugural commute. It briefly came back after fidgeting with the leads, but dead now. I guess I'll be opening it up sometime in the next few weeks.

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    Well these plans have been put on hold for now due to job stuff.

    Not necessarily *bad* news, but until I know what's up I'm holding off. Could mean dyno wheel and lights go on a bike a little better suited to a new commute.

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    Pick a Headlight that works with the 3w hub output . then the rear light running off a battery , on the seatpost
    will be fine.. they dont need the power level and not needing a wire to it simplifies things..


    ( red LEDs have been around a Lot longer than the high power white ones)

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    This is my combo and they work great!

    front light is a Busch & Müller Lumotec IQ Cyo
    http://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.p...&product_id=60

    tail is a Busch und Muller seculite plus
    http://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.p...&product_id=60

    Both have a supercap for holding the light when you stop. The front light is BRIGHT when on dark roads and the rear light is bright enough when I get home it lights up the house behind me as I am parking the bike.

    The two will couse about $145 + about $15-20 shipping, but are worth it as Busch & Müller make some of the best bicycle lights for commuters and not just your sporty types.

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