I need to actually show you a dead battery to show you that Joos put the heatsink on there to alleviate a problem? No, sorry, there is no need to do that. You just need to do a bit of basic research - something you seem adament to avoid.
Originally Posted by chaadster
Show me how those plug seals work after having been exposed to wind, sun, and rain, and show me how they will still be watertight with someone plugged into it while you are underway.
No, it does not go for the Joos as well. It does not need to be kept dry.
Joos clearly state the device can be used in light rain and in the wet; look at the website. I guess the facts are too scary for you to do it yourself? Here's a sample:
The electronics in the JOOS Orange are encapsulated, meaning they are completely waterproof. However, if water gets into the micro USB port and is not dried out, oxidation can form over the connecting pins and the JOOS Orange will not work. Make sure to keep the port cover closed tightly when used in a wet environment. If water gets inside the micro USB port, dry it out quickly. A little dab of rubbing alcohol can help speed up the drying process.
Yes, I know you are very taken with adverts and take ad print as gospel. Notice how they go to an effort to say how the microUSB port should be closed tightly. That tells me two things: It is not for use while underway, and they actually went for a microusb on the battery itself, rather than a full-sized usb or other connection on the battery end.
1) Why would Joos incorporate a heatsink that adds weight and volume if not to alleviate heat build-up?
Gaack, a heatsink! Show me something that proves-- hell, I'll take suggests, even-- that the Joos heatsink doesn't work. Where is this Joos overheat issue besides in your little head? Anything? Anybody? Beuller?
2) You still refuse to understand that if you insulate a heatsink it can't get rid of the heat that is dumped to it.
3) These things have been mentioned by my on several occassions and yet you resort to strawmanning my position and outright refuse to do even a cursory google search.
No, it means that they figured a heatsink was necessary, and a company will sell something if they can sell, regardless of there being better designs from an engineering standpoint out there.
It means people more important, and probably smarter, than you have not found the device critically flawed as you do.
I am not freaking out. I am explaining things to you that apparently requires several repeats because you refuse to understand the very basics.
You're the only one freaking about a heatsink.
There is only one "logic". I don't have my own particular logic. The point, once again just for you: Is exactly that they would not have put a heatsink in there unless it was to alleviate heat build-up. That is my point. They are fully aware that heat is a problem, and so they had gone to some length to alleviate the problem. That doesn't mean it is the best solution, but if you insist on having it below the solar panel and in-built, that is about the only thing you can do. To get better you will have to have the battery externally.
You remind me of the Dave Chappelle President Bush mockery when he asks, "Do I need to tell you what the f**k you can do with an aluminum tube?" Absurd, is what I think your position on the heatsink is; as if people go around putting heat sinks on stuff that doesn't need it. Your logic is pitiable.
Ah, yes, placing the Joos with it's in-built battery on top of a pannier is "completely fantastical". No wonder you don't have trouble making up ridiculous scenarios of the "problems" with an external battery.
"Heatsink!" You're like that dog in the movie Up Up and Away! Haha! It's less funny that you are now obsessed with creating a scenario within which the heatsink is rendered meaningless; it's completely fantastical as far as I can see.
It depends on how much the batteri itself is used, how many hours of sunlight it is exposed to, and of course ambient temperature,
The Joos has been in the market for 3 years; how "short order" were you thinking of, here, before these failures take place?
I don't have a damaged ego. I am not the one relying on meaningless awards and ad print to make my case. Do a google search of "heat damage li-ion".
Oh, wait, what failures?! Have there been any, or is this just a product of your damaged ego?
Yes, I'm not surprised that to you I'm merely repeating a word when I explain things to you and you then completely ignore it or misrepresent what I say - all depending on what makes your argument in that particular sentence.
If you try hard enough, you can probably find someone who placed a Joos on their grill in full sun...I'd accept that as proof of the pointlessness of a heatsink. Heatsink!
Awards given by editors have little sway on reality.
The multitude of various awards an accolades are mentioned to trigger some thoughtful reflection on your part, by the way.
No, you have shown yourself to be willing to misrepresent what is said, to be willing to ignore what you don't like, to be more than willing to do even the most basic of research, and to be willing to make up hoax scenarios in an attempt to make your case.
I've demonstrated my position with Joos is borne of careful consideration and thought; I've answered each of your questions, assertions, and claims directly and on a point-by-point basis a few times now.
What a delusional statement considering that you misrepresent what I say constantly.
I've demonstrated more rigor in acknowledging and understanding your position than you have with mine.
Did you fail to read the quote you, yourself posted? It says to keep the watertight plugs plugged in tightly. So it will still need protection if you were to use that battery in the wet. However, having a plug out in the open is perfectly fine when it is the Joos. At least in your book.
For example, rather than acknowledging the risk of energized, unprotected plugs being exposed to wet, you came back with, "I can't help but once again mention that your fears of having a separate battery pack because it involves a connection seem rather ill-founded", which is why I cited VoltaicSystems warning to keep the battery dry.
With that, I am done with you. If you care to do some research and read what I have said, as well as stop misrepresenting what I say, before you post next time, perhaps I will indulge you and come back. Otherwise I'm done with you and this thread.