Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16386132)
There is so much BS in those clips that if I was setting in the jury
Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16386132)
Now about this commonly used name for the folks who ride without lights. I've never heard it. Care to share?
(And people who ride the wrong way in traffic are salmon, since we're talking about the names we give people.) |
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 16386954)
Ninja.
(And people who ride the wrong way in traffic are salmon, since we're talking about the names we give people.) |
Originally Posted by oronzous
(Post 16386011)
That is YOUR logic. I'm pretty sure that if you remove reflectors from ninja's bikes, they won't go and buy lights.
Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16386132)
Well I read over some of the clips from the transcripts. There is so much BS in those clips that if I was setting in the jury I would be thinking the whole time, "This is such BS. The guy ( on the bike ) ran into a car making a bad turn. If you're going to sue someone you sue the people responsible for causing the accident". Yes, I agree with you, Mr. Johnson could have sued the CSPC. However if they did that they probably would have lost. That's because government agencies can afford to hire expensive lawyers who would undoubtedly spend tons of our money to Cover their ...butts
I agree that Mr. Johnson should have been held at mostly culpable for his actions. I would also argue that since Derby was following CSPC regulations, they shouldn't have been held culpable. But I also see the point of the plaintiff's case. A complete reflector kit could lead someone to think that it is sufficient for night time riding. Why have it and why does the CSPC require it if the reflectors don't provide sufficient warning? Any person of reasonable intelligence can clearly see that the reflectors are inadequate but too often people aren't being reasonable.
Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16386132)
Well, of course they have to use lights. If they don't the 2 tons worth of metal they are riding in can kill *innocent people. ( * other than [ but not excluding ] the operator of the vehicle. ).... If a cyclist doesn't use a light it is the cyclist that gets killed. Rarely in any bike/automobile accident is the motorist going to be the one to get killed ( regardless of who has lights and who doesn't ).
Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16386132)
Likely you are right. Just remember even if you are completely decked out in lights it doesn't mean someone won't hit you. It increases your visibility which increases your chances of not being hit but there are never any guarantees.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 16372861)
...and they don't work if light doesn't fall on them. There are lots to situations where a reflector isn't going to have anything to "reflect". If you are coming to an intersection and the car is at 90 degrees to the bike, the reflector is going to be useless. Angled intersections are going to do the same. In fog or snow, the light can't travel very far and even straight in front of the car, the reflector can't reflect the light back. If the reflector is dirty, it won't reflect.
On the other hand, laziness isn't an excuse. Every state law that I have looked at requires a front white light. Some require a reflector as well but all of them require active lighting for the front. Some, like my state, require a reflector for the rear but not an active light. Because of this, I carry a red reflector but I only do so because the law requires it. It's useless and I would rather have a light required but that's going to take legislation to change. |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 16387195)
....I agree that Mr. Johnson should have been held at mostly culpable for his actions. I would also argue that since Derby was following CSPC regulations, they shouldn't have been held culpable. But I also see the point of the plaintiff's case. A complete reflector kit could lead someone to think that it is sufficient for night time riding. Why have it and why does the CSPC require it if the reflectors don't provide sufficient warning? Any person of reasonable intelligence can clearly see that the reflectors are inadequate but too often people aren't being reasonable.
So much for this subject. Think I'll step out to the local McD's, buy some coffee, spill it on my crotch and then sue McD's because ...well,..it's was just too hot. :p Doesn't matter that coffee is suppose to be hot and that it was my actions that caused the spill I just want to get rich. ;)
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 16387195)
...I have reflectors on my bike for the simple reason that they are required by my state's laws. I don't depend on them for anything other than to cover me if I get hit and I need to file a lawsuit. I don't want to give ammunition to a cleaver lawyer who could get my case thrown out because I didn't have the proper reflectors.
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Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do
(Post 16389398)
I liken this type of thing to the expression, "Shooting the mailman".
The repo man is a lot more involved than the mailman. He knows what he's doing, is an integral part of it (if the mailmain doesn't deliver your letter -- your wife has still left you) and in fact if you shoot him it'll actually change things ... for a while. So much for this subject. Think I'll step out to the local McD's, buy some coffee, spill it on my crotch and then sue McD's because ...well,..it's was just too hot. :p Doesn't matter that coffee is suppose to be hot and that it was my actions that caused the spill I just want to get rich. ;) (Because the first part isn't ironic. It *was* too hot, and there's a lot more to the story than we're usually told. (Or if you don't like videos, here's a written article, but with fewer details.) |
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 16389551)
The term shooting the messenger is much more popular.
The repo man is a lot more involved than the mailman. He knows what he's doing, is an integral part of it (if the mailmain doesn't deliver your letter -- your wife has still left you) and in fact if you shoot him it'll actually change things ... for a while.
Originally Posted by dougmc
(Post 16389551)
...Your conflicting smilies are confusing me. Which part are you saying in an ironic way?
Some places like 7-11 at least have microwaves that allow you to reheat the coffee but this is an extra step. Royal Farms is my favorite. They have urns with heating elements and really good ( hot ) coffee. Yeah, McD coffee ( was/is ? ) super hot. I remember buying it back in the day when I was younger. Worse tasting coffee I ever had but yeah it was super hot. Just because it's now suppose to be 10° warmer I really don't think it will make a difference if it ends up on my crotch or in my face. A dangerous product needs to be handled carefully. This is where "Personally responsibility" comes into play. If you buy a gun, load it and shoot your own foot it's not the gun's fault or the person that sold you the gun, it's your fault. ( same basic principle ) I like my coffee hot. If somehow I spill it on myself ( through no fault of anyone else ) and burn myself I'll deal with it....without a lawyer. |
I hate coffee and tea and somebody elsewhere grossed me out and lost my ear telling me that milk is mucus. More milk or diet Dew, thank you.
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Retro-reflective frame now available commercially
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Originally Posted by vol
(Post 16357519)
The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases, but often take extra room and interfere with mounting lights etc. on handlebar and seat post. They are useless nuisance. Couldn't the manufacturers just make part of the bike frame reflective with reflective painting or reflective tapes (like many of us do)? What do you think?
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=424816 I've also seen a Boston-based aftermarket service named Hub Powderworks applying a retro-reflective coating ("Halo Coatings") to bike frames. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=424815 |
I thought about trying to get some Halo powder, but at the time they were obnoxious about it. Don't know if they have changed, but I lost access to the guy that powder coated, so it's not an issue. Halo used to list some bike companies in their associates, dunno what happened to that. I also tried to talk one of the wet paint guys into using reflective paint, but he had tried it and didn't like the look
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Reflectors require being struck by sufficient light at an angle pretty much, but not entirely, head-on to the reflector. Unfortunately, when you get in some of the rural areas and are coming from a side road or driveway ( backing out ), there's not enough light from a vehicle's headlights or backup lights, to illuminate a reflector on a bicycle that's 100 feet away and coming at 15 or 20 mph. No reflector I'm aware of will do any good in a situation such as this, especially when backup lights are the only illumination to the rear at night. When I need to back out of our driveway at night, the radio is off and the front windows are down in order to try and hear any possible noise from a bike or rider coming down the road without lights, only reflectors on the bike. This situation always scares the hell out of me, but there are some riders in the area that don't wish to be detected on their bikes at night for other reasons than being legal and staying safe.
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Originally Posted by znomit
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Originally Posted by vol
(Post 19599717)
My new Specialized has reflective tires, so it didn't come with the wheel reflectors. How hard/costly is it to make this a norm?
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For bikes in heavy use, and/or parked in direct sunlight, reflectors degrade over time.
If you consider them important, better have them replaceable than applied as paint. |
Originally Posted by dabac
(Post 19600998)
For bikes in heavy use, and/or parked in direct sunlight, reflectors degrade over time.
If you consider them important, better have them replaceable than applied as paint. |
These are easy to put on and take off, and they're cheap.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg |
Now have active dynohub powered lights on 3 bikes, better than a passive reflector..
When in NL long ago I bought a tubular plastic ring of reflective material with a wire through it, It laced thru the spokes , inside of the tire, above the rim, so unlike the tire sidewall reflective ring, it did not get cloudy from braking and road dirt. I am doubtful its made any more.. ...... |
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