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    Cable compatability between Magicshine and the clones.

    I have a 808 Magicshine light head and the Geoman Gear replacement battery, and recently purchased this set of lights to either compliment the Magicshine or to extend the battery life on the Magicshine. The new set is one of the Chinese copies that use cables that are almost the same as the Magicshine, and they all connect without problems except for the Magicshine light head and the new battery. Those connectors don't feel like they've completely connected, and the outer cover of the new battery seems to be just a little bit small for the Magicshine plug to make a connection that feels as tight as the others. I'd like to be able to go for a ride to see if this connection will fail while riding so I can return the new light if needed, but I don't think that ride is going to happen for a while. Has anyone had problems with connecting a newer clone battery to an older Magicshine head?

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    It's a bit loose. I just made a little clip to hold them together, and then it's fine. They hold together OK most of the time but I've had them fall apart. I think if I just velcro'd up the ends they'd stay plugged in OK anyway - they fall apart if it's real bumpy and I have the connectors joining in the middle of the top tube so they're pulling apart as they are bouncing.
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    I just bought a Magicshine clone. I think you get what you paid for. In my case, I got less. The charger came dead on arrival.

    I know saving money is a good thing, but I prefer not to need any messing or maintaining my lights. Not everyone is able or willing to spend the big bucks for fancy lights, but if you are, you'll be glad if you do so. It's not wasted.

    I bought the Magicshine as an experiment. Now I have to contact Amazon and get the replacement or refund. Not fun, and not a very successful experiment.
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    The connectors have different shieldings now. The magicshine clone I bought failed when I plugged in a 8.4v fully charged battery, it fried the driver. My yinding (gemini clone) otoh works terrific, super bright. The QC failure rate rises dramatically when you start spending less than $25-$30. Spend at least $40 if you expect something to last, my $50 yinding is an absolute beast and the quality is superb, and it's smaller than my mg clone, my $25 magic shine clone is so-so.

    So IMO, spending $50 is the sweet spot, you'd have to spend around $150-$200 for a brand name "quality" light to get the same amount of brightness out of the $50 yinding.

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    The compatibility issue with MS type connectors mentioned in the OP is quite common. I own several lamp with the MS type connectors and like the OP some do not make as tight a connection as others. All of them though do work. Usually the problem is with the ( male ) plug on the lamp. On some of those the outer part of the plug is not as wide so it doesn't connect as well with the outer sleeve on the female side. On other male plugs the metal shaft that connects to the battery ( female ) side isn't quite as long as some others thus preventing the outer part of the male plug from connecting tighter to the battery side.

    I've never had one of these become unconnected while riding but I'm sure it could happen. Nothing that a piece of electrical tape can't fix but if you want a better connection you could try replacing the male plug with another better version. You can buy the MS type extension cables, cut the male side off and splice the better plug in. It does require some minor DIY skills but can be done without too much trouble.

    Anyway, I can't see returning the lamp because it won't work well with other batteries. If it works with the provided battery you got what you paid for.

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    You can use high quality batteries with this. http://dx.com/p/pannovo-b-c04-water-...7#.Uum6vbSA200

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidad View Post
    You can use high quality batteries with this. http://dx.com/p/pannovo-b-c04-water-...7#.Uum6vbSA200
    Actually the thread was about connector compatibility and not batteries but yes those will work with MS type connectors as well. Still, the female connector on these is designed to use a male counterpart that has a sleeve designed to screw on to the female side. I have a battery with one of those and yes they will work with standard MS connectors however once again the connection will not be as tight or water resistant as the designed counterpart.

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    This depends on your skill level with re-terminating cables, but another very viable possibility is to simply ignore the connectors that come with these lights entirely. Cut them off and put on better ones that you prefer. Micro Deans for example.

    These are cheap lights. Great value, but lower on the quality scale so DOAs are possible. Get an unmatched or faulty connector? Replace it. Need new batteries? Buy cells from DX or similar. Get a bad charger? Use something better. Use a hobby charger - then any batteries can be charged and their actual capacity and health monitored. Purchase some cheap 18650 chargers just to strip out the electronics and use the holder with a good charger. Or if you search electronics suppliers you can find 18650 cell battery holders. And on the topic of purchasing battery holders, these can replace the ones that come with the lights. This gives flexibility to add more parallel cells and give longer run time. Or you can run your light(s) on LiPos from Hobby King or similar.

    There are so many options...
    Last edited by rscamp; 01-30-14 at 04:46 AM. Reason: Add source of 18650 cells...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do View Post
    Actually the thread was about connector compatibility and not batteries but yes those will work with MS type connectors as well. Still, the female connector on these is designed to use a male counterpart that has a sleeve designed to screw on to the female side. I have a battery with one of those and yes they will work with standard MS connectors however once again the connection will not be as tight or water resistant as the designed counterpart.
    This one does not have the screw-on fitting.

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    Yeah, there are a lot of choices. I originally figured I'd use the better of the 2 light heads and have 2 battery packs if I didn't like the new lighthead, but the new light looks like it's the thrower I've been wanting to use with the Magicshine head with the wide angle lens. Having the lights and batteries use interchangeable parts would be ideal, I've got enough different battery types on there now as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscamp View Post
    Use a hobby charger - then any batteries can be charged and their actual capacity and health monitored. Purchase some cheap 18650 chargers just to strip out the electronics and use the holder with a good charger. Or if you search electronics suppliers you can find 18650 cell battery holders
    If you can solder to tiny rare earth magnets without ruining the magnet (I haven't tried, but I do know that enough heat will ruin a magnet) they'd make nice chargers -- just stick the magnet+wire on each end and charge.

    I suspect that the cheap 18650 batteries they use for things like the Magicshine pack (the 2s2p packs) would really benefit from occasional balancing, if you were to solder in a plug for it and use it with your R/C charger. Or just buy a 4000+ mAh 2s pack from HobbyKing and add the right connector and use it instead of the packs they come with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    If you can solder to tiny rare earth magnets without ruining the magnet (I haven't tried, but I do know that enough heat will ruin a magnet) they'd make nice chargers -- just stick the magnet+wire on each end and charge.

    I suspect that the cheap 18650 batteries they use for things like the Magicshine pack (the 2s2p packs) would really benefit from occasional balancing, if you were to solder in a plug for it and use it with your R/C charger. Or just buy a 4000+ mAh 2s pack from HobbyKing and add the right connector and use it instead of the packs they come with.
    Yes exactly. I have added a 2s balancing plug to a 2-cell 18650 battery holder for this purpose. And the charge rate is so low compared with LiPos, that the two cells could even come from different lights and be in different charge states and there would be enough time to balance them.

    Not sure about the magnet idea though.
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    I've found that using a slightly thicker O-ring on the male-connector part makes for a snug fit with the different battery packs. Then I starting building my own battery packs and replaced all the connectors to be more compatible.

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