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    I took it for a ride in the city today. Here's some feedback:
    1. When recording a trace, does it save each segment to the phone's memory in real time, so that at least some of the trace is available in case the phone reboots or a data connection is no longer available (typical when riding out in the country side)?
    2. Is there a way to add a POI while recording a ride? I find this useful when I spot something interesting that I'd like to check after getting home
    3. Is it possible to hide the lower half-part? I don't need those infos while riding, but do need the whole screen to zoom in/out while following a route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irrelevantapple View Post
    the only maps i need for navigating is openandromaps

    yeah there is a bit of customising and learning to do. I go through the settings and try to figure out how to work things and I mostly get it. If I'm really stuck then Google for help sorts me out.

    For getting the most out of gps if you're rooted the app TopNTP can set you up. The app gps status doesn't need root can demonstrate how your gps is behaving.
    irrelev-apple...I want to thank you for mentioning the Locus app. I've been playing around with it and have it working pretty good now. Tracks very well and I'm discovering more functions every time I use it. The only downside that I see is that it is somewhat tedious trying to find the functions that you are looking for. The menu is not as intuitive as one might wish. At least you have the Locus website to consult if there are things you can't find. I haven't yet tried to download a set map but at least I have the instructions so at some point I'll give that a try.

    Since you said that the phone you use for bike GPS is separate from your "actual phone", a question I have. When using off-line maps; When you follow a planned route or previously saved tracked route are you still able to get "voice prompts" or is this only something that works when on-line? I thought I read somewhere that there were no voice prompts without being on-line (?).

    Anyway, thanks for also mentioning the "GPS Status" app. Last week the GPS on my phone went completely out and nothing I did seemed to get it working. I thought I was going to have to go to the phone store to get it fixed and that was something I really didn't want to do. Luckily I saw a video on Youtube that highlighted the GPS Status app. I quickly downloaded it and gave it a try....BINGO!...Fixed! Later I saw that you had mentioned the app and I had forgotten about it. Thanks again...big time.

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    I'm glad you're getting good use out of it. A tip for what I find useful is under map controls panels in settings you can center map to bottom quarter of screen and hide top and bottom panels automatically.

    Offline voice guiding needs pro I think. It's in beta but works without a problem for me. It doesn't have a reverse option but the author has stated it's a goal. I use osmand reverse navigation to return from one way gpx files which is ok with it's less useful cycling maps as I've already experienced the route. You can use locus's guide mode with beeps instead if you want for both directions.

    I don't need locus with any net connectivity while out but if you calculate a route or navigation with internet it should keep the calculated directions for the journey if the net turns off. Works like Google maps there i think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winfried View Post
    I took it for a ride in the city today. Here's some feedback:
    1. When recording a trace, does it save each segment to the phone's memory in real time, so that at least some of the trace is available in case the phone reboots or a data connection is no longer available (typical when riding out in the country side)?
    2. Is there a way to add a POI while recording a ride? I find this useful when I spot something interesting that I'd like to check after getting home
    3. Is it possible to hide the lower half-part? I don't need those infos while riding, but do need the whole screen to zoom in/out while following a route.
    - Yes, we record each point individually, there is almost no way to lose data in the event of a crash, battery death etc.
    - No aspect of recording requires a data connection. We will be adding offline map support in the near future as well.
    - No way to add POI yet, but we've had a couple other suggestions for it so will be evaluating it in the near future.
    - Again, multiple requests for this so we'll evaluate it as an option, as well as people wanting more data fields (I have a power meter, cadence, HR sensor, not enough fields!)

    Thanks for the suggestions, we'll get around to them all in the next couple weeks. I'd say in the next couple days, but we are working hard to get a feature-parity iOS app out in the next few months...Never enough time to get it all in
    I love biking and I love programming, so I reallllly love working on http://ridewithgps.com

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    Out of curiosity, what tool did you use to write that cross-platform application?

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    ridewithgps just released their app and is really nice. i supported their beta and they put some real nice features. check it out.

    another option is to use oruxmaps. i always use it when i go cross country here. dirt roads with lots of ramifications without a map is a place you don't want to be.
    Last edited by yankhor; 02-25-14 at 12:00 PM. Reason: cullenking already did his part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irrelevantapple View Post
    I don't need locus with any net connectivity while out but if you calculate a route or navigation with internet it should keep the calculated directions for the journey if the net turns off. Works like Google maps there i think
    In locus and orux, do you know a way to load more than one openandromap? I ride in between two maps and its kind of a pain to have to switch between maps all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    In locus and orux, do you know a way to load more than one openandromap? I ride in between two maps and its kind of a pain to have to switch between maps all the time.
    Not sure this is going to help and has nothing to do with openandropmap per say but there is a way using Locus to download a "*specific area" when accessing one of the "on-line" maps in the Locus menu. It depends on the map though. According to the Locus website some on-line maps allow downloading of areas and some don't. I haven't tried it yet myself but plan to. If it works I should be able to download just the areas I need and have a nice map for off-line use. As for Openandrop map I'm still trying to figure out how to get that into the Locus menu.

    ( *you actually draw out the area ( in a rectangle ) that you want )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01 CAt Man Do View Post
    Not sure this is going to help and has nothing to do with openandropmap per say but there is a way using Locus to download a "*specific area" when accessing one of the "on-line" maps in the Locus menu. It depends on the map though. According to the Locus website some on-line maps allow downloading of areas and some don't. I haven't tried it yet myself but plan to. If it works I should be able to download just the areas I need and have a nice map for off-line use. As for Openandrop map I'm still trying to figure out how to get that into the Locus menu.

    ( *you actually draw out the area ( in a rectangle ) that you want )
    I just tested having a second downloaded map in the same directory and Locus had both simultaneously.

    So download your map http://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads and unzip to phone. In Locus menu choose Maps. Go to Vector tab. Press menu button, add maps, press Add. You can add a single map, directory, or press menu and multi select. Or you can follow the directions to put into the correct directory http://www.openandromaps.org/en/manual which also has info for oruxmaps.

    In the maps zip download will be a couple of other folders usable as themes. The default opencyclemap presentation isn't on the go sunlight friendly. The recently updated andromaps_hc theme doesn't separate highways and busier roads by colour. I can't find a link to the old theme so i've uploaded here, maybe rename it's folder if you want to test and have both new and old versions https://docs.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0B2APgn1zilEiSnBabGNfdGh0ZTg&export=download
    Place each single theme folder in /Locus/mapsVector/_themes/

    More info on the all rounder theme here http://www.openandromaps.org/en/legend/andromaps_hc_en
    mtb specific purpose here http://www.openandromaps.org/en/legend/andromaps__mtb
    hiking specific purpose here http://www.openandromaps.org/en/lege...ain-hike-theme

    I recommend setting 'Map color mode' to High Contrast in Settings, Map - advanced. Also Shading maps enabled here is pretty cool. Here you can also change the 'Theme of the maps' to where i'd recommend the old andromaps_hc. You can access the theme menu faster through the maps menu and holding over a vector map.

    After all that you'll have a clean, accessible map specifically with high contrast for optimum viewing in sunlight. I can post up a screenshot of how it works well in my opinion when I can later. You can also try other recommended themes by Locus menu, store, graphics, themes - vector maps. Volatile cycle and cycle hc found here are good in my opinion but lack a bit of contrast and viewing ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irrelevantapple View Post
    I just tested having a second downloaded map in the same directory and Locus had both simultaneously.

    So download your map http://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads and unzip to phone. In Locus menu choose Maps. Go to Vector tab. Press menu button, add maps, press Add. You can add a single map, directory, or press menu and multi select. Or you can follow the directions to put into the correct directory http://www.openandromaps.org/en/manual which also has info for oruxmaps.
    I used the second approach originally. The first approach doesn't appear to be different really. Neither worked. I wonder if it's a paid feature.
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    Last night I downloaded my first off-line map using Locus. Turned out it was a "pay for" map. I didn't really understand what was happening until I was prompted to "purchase credit" before downloading the map. While I knew I was buying something I didn't quite understand what was happening. Finally figured it out and decided to go through with the transaction. It seems when you purchase credit you are actually buying a certain amount of map tiles. You don't necessarily use those all at once. When you outline your map the app tells you the amount of tiles required ( depending on your chosen resolution / size level you might require more or less tiles ) I was wrong about just using a rectangle to outline the area. You can adjust the download area using several points.

    At some point I'll figure out the "openandrop" map process but for the time being I have a couple off-line area maps that should come in real handy once I get out in the boonies.

    Irrev-apple, thanks for the tip on adjusting the contrast and such. Works great. I also tried out the "night screen" which I'll likely use when riding at night. NOW what I want is for the designers of the Locus app to dialog with the RWGPS website so I can run my route maps on Locus.
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    I just want to get a simple interface and easy to use app. Feel tired about the apps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    I used the second approach originally. The first approach doesn't appear to be different really. Neither worked. I wonder if it's a paid feature.
    I was curious and tested on the free version and yes it doesn't show more than one area at a time. The pro isn't perfect for this regard though. I found it doesn't load another map properly until you're zoomed far in at least all in the new map not just at the border. A workaround by this is if only crossing between two maps often you load the cross over map as primary and start from the unselected map zoomed in.

    @cat man
    if you can export your rwgps files locus pro can navigate them like so
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/40GfQJ
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/c80Xe6

    also here's some screenshots of openandromaps with some themes and locus contrast added:
    old andromaps_hc
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/d0EfVW
    without locus contrast
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/oXsKsp

    original cycle theme
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/0ZURnR

    new andromaps_hc
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/L8G07Q

    cycle_hc
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/vuVxi1

    volatile cycle
    http://flickr.com/gp/96543180@N03/G73k13

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    Quote Originally Posted by irrelevantapple View Post
    I was curious and tested on the free version and yes it doesn't show more than one area at a time. The pro isn't perfect for this regard though. I found it doesn't load another map properly until you're zoomed far in at least all in the new map not just at the border. A workaround by this is if only crossing between two maps often you load the cross over map as primary and start from the unselected map zoomed in.
    Thanks.

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    In keeping with the last posts; I noticed while driving around tonight that the Locus app doesn't seem to download the "online" map fast enough if you have the screen zoomed in where you can read street names. While driving I would run out of map after about a half mile. When this happened I had to "pull back" on the map to let the map reload. Once the map filled in I could then zoom in again but sadly it kept running out of map ( as I moved along ). Quite annoying. Later when when I drove back home it seemed to work fine. Might have had to do with the setting, "car" vs. bike. Not sure what it was set on but probably bike. I hope it doesn't do this all the time or it won't be really fun to use.

    Tonight I figured out how to export my route maps from RWGPS so I could get the file to my Locus app on my phone. Actually I used the "drop box" feature and after figuring out how to set it up on my PC, I found out it will work with almost any kind of GPS file and get it to the wireless device of your choice ( thankfully the drop box is free with 2 gig of storage at your disposal ). Can't wait till tomorrow so I can find out how it works while navigating the route. I'm crossing my fingers hoping I get audible prompts. If not I might need another type of file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claystevens View Post
    I just want to get a simple interface and easy to use app. Feel tired about the apps.
    Me too. Which is why I'm sticking with MapsWithMe Pro, that I complement with RideWithGPS when I need to record a ride (until MwM Pro supports this feature.)

    Also, until MwM Pro supports importing GPX routes, a KML file works fine as a set of bookmarks. I used it again today for a 60km ride in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claystevens View Post
    I just want to get a simple interface and easy to use app. Feel tired about the apps.
    Yeah, I can relate. When it comes to GPS devices and/or phone GPS apps, "Simplicity" is rarely an option. At least most of the phone apps are free or low cost so finding one that works for you (while tedious) won't cost you an arm or a leg.

    Finding something that works and is simple depends on what you want the app to do. I like the "Cue Sheet" app when just navigating a set route that I set-up before hand on "RidewithGPS" website. It is very simple, works great and pretty much problem free as long as you are on-line.

    Now if I'm not navigating a set route or track and don't mind being on-line, "Google Navigator" or "Google Map" works great and butt-simple to use.

    If you want off-line map / track / navigation features you're going to have to buy the bullet and use an app that is more complicated. The Locus app I've been playing with does almost all I could ask but there is definitely a learning curve that goes with using it. The only reason I'm using Locus is because I want the option of using an off-line map. Locus also gives me the option to record my own tracks and then follow them at a later date if I wish. I don't know that I'll use it a lot but it'll be nice to have once I start doing more rides in the boonies where cell tower reception can be sketchy.

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    Hi,

    I just released the first Android version of TheFrontPack. Itís focused on local and adventure cycling, rather than performance, so it may be close to what youíre looking for. Itís easy to use, has simple zooming, points of interest, blogging and live tracking. It doesn't do recording yet, so you need to upload the GPX to the web site, which is immediately available on the phone. Your Ďfavoriteí routes will work offline, with some limitations. Itís gentle on the battery.

    It's on Google Play at https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...efrontpack.app

    All feedback is welcome as I evolve the app and tune it for its purpose.

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    Some LOCUS ( app ) feedback

    Since I've already commented here or there about the Locus app I figured I might as well continue and update as I travel the learning curve of the app.

    So far I'm pretty much happy. I've got on-line maps and off-line maps. I've got some great "Map display options". Using the "Drop box" option I can now more easily transfer maps and saved routes from my other favorite on-line mapping sites.

    I did have a few quarks that did give me pause. One was how the on-line maps load when moving. I think If I start the map in a wider area and then zoom in after the map is loaded I don't experience blank areas while riding. I've mentioned this to the locus people and they seem to think it is a server problem with the map site but that remains to be seen. Using the strategy I mentioned I don't seem to have a big problem but so far I've only been using it in my car. Need I say a bike moves more slowly than a car so I don't think delays with the loading of on-line maps is going to be a continuing issue.

    I did have a problem with the map "shaking" while using the "map rotate" feature. The locus people suggested changing a particular setting on the map and once again everything is fine.
    The locus website is very helpful and the people there are quick to respond to questions and suggestions. Not that I'm giving the app a ringing endorsement, it is very tedious to work with. Patience is required when figuring out all the cool options. If I see no other problems in the next couple weeks I will likely upgrade to the Locus Pro ( which will add a bunch of other cool options.. )

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    Continued from my last post above ^

    Over the weekend I had a chance to use the Locus app using one of my routes exported from RWGPS. This particular route was just a local ride using mostly paved hiker/biker trails in the community where I live. I was curious to see how the app would handle the turns when using "voice navigation".

    Turns out it worked better than I expected. I laugh when I say that because the voice prompted me for EVERY major turn or change in bearing ( not just at intersections ). Yes, very funny it was. Since I was on a route I already knew by heart I had to turn the prompts off because "the lady was becoming a regular chatter box".

    Still, on roads or trails that are unexplored the numerous prompts would be very welcome. The distance prompts were usually a tad off as there is a slight lag when you are moving. This did not seem to cause any problems but I thought it worth mentioning. Otherwise the app tracked my position very well and the time lag was only maybe 3-5 sec. Before any major turn there is always an advance warning ( or two ).

    Like I mentioned before the hardest part to using the app is remembering what screen symbols
    provide the needed function. That being the case the more I use the app the better I get at remembering what does what. In the mean time I need to make myself a small crib note sheet so if I forget how to do something I don't have to play with the menus. A bit tedious perhaps but easier to work with than my Garmin 705 ( IMO )

    Oh, about run time: I tested this at work using the app as I would normally would for navigation. Normally I don't always have the screen on so I would turn the screen on/off every once in while like I do on normal rides. With my Motorola Droid razor ( from full battery ) I was able to get about 4 hours before reaching the 30% battery life point. Usually I will stop using an app at that point just in case I need to use the phone. Other phones may work better but if you have a bigger battery or an external back-up there should be no problems while on extended rides.

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    I added some experiences here:-
    Android app that will follow a predefined route?
    In addition, I could say I found locus very un-intuitive, although it clearly has a lot of options.
    I only considered apps with spoken turn instructions.
    Marmite

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