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    Paris-Brest-Paris 2015, Garmin 510, How Best to Capture a Single 60 Hour Ride?

    Greetings all.

    I rode PBP 2011 with an iPhone 4 and multiple Mophie juice packs. This was in the early days of Strava, and I was trying to be ambitious and epic and get a huge single effort (albeit with naps) ride recorded.

    However, my ambition was beyond my logistical planning, and I only ended up with 650km recorded before I had a dead iPhone and seven dead Mophies. The single proprietary USB cable (the old Mophies did not have the USB flap, just a unique plug interface) I used to charge the Mophies while resting also fell out of my jersey during a feeding, and so my dreams of the big effort being recorded died there along with the batteries. I'd prefer to not have to use the iPhone again as I had to jump through hoops with my cell provider to suspend a contract, then get a temporary contract with SFR in France, pay extra fees, etc.

    Next year I hope to use my Garmin 510 on the ride. But I have no toys that allow for continual recording over huge rides. What is the easiest, lightest option out there? Cost isn't an issue for me as this will be a Christmas gift from my wife.

    I'd like to break 60 hours this year and have indisputable evidence to that end. The "PBP Day 1, Part 1...PBP Day 2, Part 2..." Strava activity charting method would be heinous and is really out of the question. First world problem, for sure, but...any suggestions?

    Cheers.

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    Get an etrex 20/30. 2AAs will last at least a full day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    Get an etrex 20/30. 2AAs will last at least a full day.
    Yes i concur - for an adventure like that you'll need a real GPS - the etrex are ok but if u have the budget the Garmin oregon 650 would be perfect - big 3inch screen with real sun light readable screen. U can turn off the back light during daylight and run for many many hours before the AAs go flat.

    The Edge and the new Magellan Cyclos are meant for relatively quick short rides - anything over a few hours and there's the real risk of ending with a dead GPS (battery ran flat) far away from home.

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    Start now and practice stitching tracks together. Pretty sure the 500 has the issue of recording over 300k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machoman121 View Post
    The Edge and the new Magellan Cyclos are meant for relatively quick short rides - anything over a few hours and there's the real risk of ending with a dead GPS (battery ran flat) far away from home.
    Oy.

    Edges are used fairly routinely for these sorts of rides. They are not much harder to deal with than a device that uses AA batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    Start now and practice stitching tracks together. Pretty sure the 500 has the issue of recording over 300k
    The 800 certainly has an issue with this. (I've heard that creating laps avoid the problem.)

    It wouldn't surprise me that other devices had the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machoman121 View Post
    The Edge and the new Magellan Cyclos are meant for relatively quick short rides - anything over a few hours and there's the real risk of ending with a dead GPS (battery ran flat) far away from home.
    In fairness I've done a 350km single ride recording using my Garmin 510 in June. That is certainly beyond a "quick short ride." It was actually 15 hours 40 min of ride time and 17 hours of GPS on-time. No maps, no turn-by-turn cues, no backlighting. But I did have ANT+ speed/cadence and HR on the entire ride. I even had ~6% on the battery when I got in that evening.

    Instead of a new GPS device, I was more looking for advice on what types of charging units I can pack with me, whether I can record while charging, how long these devices take to re-charge while napping, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campagnono View Post
    Instead of a new GPS device, I was more looking for advice on what types of charging units I can pack with me, whether I can record while charging, how long these devices take to re-charge while napping, etc.
    (The 510 you have is fine for what you want to do.)

    705/800/etc can use any charger that can charge USB devices. The "gnomadic" charger that uses AA batteries is a common one. I use a 5400 mAh battery USB charger for my 800 (and have used it for the Touring).

    The 800 used to have an issue but a firmware release a while ago fixed it.

    Given that the 510 is relatively new, I'd guess that any reasonable charger would work.

    You might even know somebody with a battery charger that you could try.

    Here's some one who said it works for the 510.

    http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...d-while-riding

    Here is some old information.

    Garmin Edge 500/800 questions regarding tracking for extremely long rides
    Last edited by njkayaker; 07-11-14 at 02:35 PM.

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    It might be worthwhile inquiring on the official Garmin 510 Users' Forum: https://forums.garmin.com/forumdisplay.php?363-Edge-510
    Ride more. Fret less.

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    Get this battery case:

    Mojo Refuel Armor S Battery Case for iPhone 5/5S| ibattz : Global Removable Power Leader

    It allows you to interchange the battery in the battery case with i9300 batteries for Samung Galaxy phones - they're cheap, compact and light. Each add on battery gives you the same charge plus a bit that is in the iPhone battery. With the display off, the iPhone running an app like Cyclemeter would use about 10-15% of the battery per hour.

    Get this from QuadLock case to mount the above on your stem. You just take the "universal mount" thingie and stick it on the back of the case above. Then the whole thing mounts nicely on your stem.

    Quad Lock ? Bike Kit - Universal Fit


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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    (The 510 you have is fine for what you want to do.)

    705/800/etc can use any charger that can charge USB devices. The "gnomadic" charger that uses AA batteries is a common one. I use a 5400 mAh battery USB charger for my 800 (and have used it for the Touring).

    The 800 used to have an issue but a firmware release a while ago fixed it.

    Given that the 510 is relatively new, I'd guess that any reasonable charger would work.

    You might even know somebody with a battery charger that you could try.

    Here's some one who said it works for the 510.

    gps - Can Garmin Edge 500/510 and 800/810 be charged while riding? - Bicycles Stack Exchange

    Here is some old information.

    Garmin Edge 500/800 questions regarding tracking for extremely long rides
    Hey thanks for the good info. I really appreciate it.

    I guess I've got a lot of work to do in figuring this out.

    I have participated in the Garmin forums regarding this issue, and it seems like many users had issues with their 510s/810s shutting down while charging using portable batteries. I've only scratched the surface with my 510. Lots of folks complain about it being buggy, but I haven't had an issue. Granted I've only put about 4000km on my unit, so my usage has been fairly limited so far.

    The panacea I'm looking for would allow for the device to record my track in addition to three ANT+ devices unimpeded and without any nightmare issues like freeze ups a lost ride.

    I'm also only planning for only one five hour and two one hour stops. So any additional (re)charging would need to happen (and adequately so) within those limited intervals.

    Lots of folks at PBP 2011 had MULTIPLE Garmin/GPS devices. When one died the next one gets flipped on. That seems like shooting a squirrel with a howitzer. There's got to be a more efficient and less brute force solution.

    Oh, and JohnJ80, my iPhone is a 4, not the 5, so I believe there are some issues inherent with lack of compatibility, but that does look like a good option for someone with a 5. But the multiple mini-Mophie debacle in 2011 really left a bad taste in my mouth about using the iPhone. Moreover, now using the Garmin 510, I can have cadence, HR, and my PowerTap, so the iPhone is really just an emergency relic for my bicycling adventures these days.

    In any case, thanks to all for the help and advice for a new forum user.

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    The 500 will track and charge with the right cable. Bet the 510 does as well. Those cheap double AA external chargers would work. All you would need is a stock of aa batteries to feed it. The 500 my friend has usee so little power two batteries last a long time. Bet you would only need 6 or so. Though for that mission I'd use my Vista hcx. Uses Aa by default.

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    I don't know how hard it is to find AA's in France, but Gomadic charger seem to be popular AA Battery Pack Charger compatible with the Garmin EDGE 510

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    I don't know how hard it is to find AA's in France, but Gomadic charger seem to be popular AA Battery Pack Charger compatible with the Garmin EDGE 510
    Wow, thanks unterhausen! That looks cheap, easy, and awesome. I'll check that out with the folks in the Garmin forum now.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campagnono View Post
    I have participated in the Garmin forums regarding this issue, and it seems like many users had issues with their 510s/810s shutting down while charging using portable batteries.
    I've had no problems with the 800. (I don't have enough time with the Touring to say). I wonder if people are waiting too long to plug them in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Campagnono View Post
    I've only scratched the surface with my 510. Lots of folks complain about it being buggy, but I haven't had an issue. Granted I've only put about 4000km on my unit, so my usage has been fairly limited so far.
    It's possible that it was buggy with older firmware. That is, maybe, new firmware fixed the bugs.

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