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Old 10-19-14, 06:08 PM
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Philips Saferide LED Bicycle Light 80 Lux Generation 2 battery life

I'm thinking seriously about getting one of these. But I need the batteries to last 45 minutes minimum(high setting) at around 15 to 20 deg. F for the ride home(Ni-MH rated at 32 to 95 degrees F). Dynamo version is not an option for several reasons. This is for commuting purposes on my road bike. I have 2 L&M 700's set on low mounted on the inside of the drops. This directs more light forward, plus the amber side lights illuminate my white bars, fork, and wheel to some extent. The indirect light from the amber LED's isn't very noticeable with a lot of ambient light in the area. The problem I have is even with high vis. clothing I still have an issue with cross traffic when I have the right of way. If a car pulls up to an intersection just before I get there, they don't see my light beam(s) because they're on the inside of the drops. That was my only issue last winter. Aside from that, I was able to go full speed confidently through an intersection. So now I'm on a "Side Visibility Kick." This light will be the final piece of the "Can You See Me From the Side?" puzzle. I borrowed a Gen 1 light from a friend a few weeks ago and decided I have to have one of these. One thing I did notice was you really need an auxiliary light when going around corners at normal speed because of the beam pattern. I was able to get 1.7 hrs.(high setting) with stock batteries(2450mAh) at 60 deg. F. The only other light I was looking at was a B&M Ixon IQ Speed Premium, but not a fan of an external battery plus it looks huge!

Reasons to buy:

Can run at full brightness without blinding oncoming vehicles so you aim the light higher for more distance visibility and go at full speed without overrunning your beam.

Uniform beam throw.

The lens is about 2.5mm thick, and is very noticeable from the side as it has a bright glow around the perimeter. This is one of the reasons I want to use it on high.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGqv6ejSLI)

The light beam itself is more noticeable from the side compared to my current setup.


At what point does the Gen2 get noticeably dimmer? I'm assuming where as Gen1 stays at full intensity until throttled down to Eco-mode, the Gen2 stays on high longer, but starts to dim.

What would be the best way to insulate the Saferide housing to extend the battery life in cold weather?

Is there enough of a difference between Gen1 & Gen2 to go with the Gen2?

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Huh. I thought Philips had pulled out of the bicycle light market. Learn something new everyday
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These are shaped beams so won't help a lot with cross traffic.

Get a helmet light.
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Originally Posted by znomit
These are shaped beams so won't help a lot with cross traffic.

Get a helmet light.
True, but it will still be more noticeable than my current light setup, which will still be used(I know, overkill). Studies show that 2 separate moving beams of light are more noticeable than one. I can vouch for this firsthand. 2 winters ago I had one Niterider 650 set on medium and had issues with oncoming traffic making a left turn in front of me. Last winter I had the 2 Urban 700's set on low and no issues with oncoming vehicles. They actually wait for an inordinate amount of time to let me pass before making their turn. I guess that doesn't say much about my speed.

What is noticeable to cross traffic is the glowing ring around the circumference of the lens even though it's only about 2.5 mm thick. I'm trying to get away from using a helmet light. When it gets real cold/windy, I'd rather use my helmet cover.

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While the 'ring glow' was noticeable in the link you provided, the camera was mounted next to it- it may not be as noticeable 'in the wild' like you've experienced with other light's side markers.
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Originally Posted by no1mad
While the 'ring glow' was noticeable in the link you provided, the camera was mounted next to it- it may not be as noticeable 'in the wild' like you've experienced with other light's side markers.
When I had the Gen 1 for a few days, one thing I did was haul my bike with my car to similar lighting conditions that I have on part of my commute. I parked my bike with all lights on about 200 feet from my car. I got in my car and turned the headlights on to critique my side visibility. The 2 things in front that stood out the most(minus the light beam(s)) was the LIT 360 reflective sidewalls(by the way, as durable as GP4000s & same rolling resistance 28mm) and the perimeter ring around the Gen 1. I'm not saying holy crap that's bright. But it's more noticeable that the L&M Vis180's amber light that I have on the seatpost, albeit there's a lot more surface area than the Vis180. Although the tires lit up like rings of fire when I was at a right angle to them, you can't rely on passive items to be seen at different angles.

So, I'm just saying there's not one lighting component that I have that's going to make the difference between being seen at all angles, but the cumulative effect of all will work quite well. My thinking is it's better to overpay for visibility now than to end up with hospital bills(or worse) later. Sorry, this is starting to sound like the commuter's forum. LOL

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I own a v2 of the Phillips Saferide, and have been testing the battery life. Here's what I got, at indoor room temperature:

2700mah rechargeable AA's -
High: 1:53
Low: 3:12
Off: 3:55

"Low" is the point where the light starting dimming below the regular light output of low mode. You can also switch it back to high mode from low mode when it switches automatically, and probably get another half hour of runtime on high mode out of it if you want. (Haven't gotten to testing it yet).

If I was riding with a light in the cold, I would...use a dynamo, lol. But for AA batteries, the Eneloop Pro's are the highest capacity (2550mAh type, 2450mAh min) nimh batteries that I know of that specifically claim to have improved chemistry for working in the cold:
Amazon.com: Panasonic BK-3HCCA4BA eneloop pro AA High Capacity New Ni-MH Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries, 4 Pack: Electronics

I own a B&M Ixon Premium as well. The beam pattern is much better for making turns. And the battery life is much longer as well - it ran on high for 6.5 hours with the same 2700mah batteries. But I can't immediately recommend it over the Saferide. The Ixon Iq Premium uses an LED with a fairly strong purplish tint to it, and it doesn't appear quite as bright. It works ok, but I find myself preferring to use the Saferide instead so far because the light it throws out does a better job at illuminating stuff on the trail, and it's just warmer and feels nicer. Dunno. We'll see.

Regarding visibility, I don't think the shaped beams are actually any less visible than non shaped beams to cars, if they're mounted in the same place. So far I feel like if they see one solid beam, they see the other. If you want more visibility, the thing to do is to put a reasonable-light-output front flashing light on the bike. Human eyes see flashing lights much easier than solid lights.
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+1 for the eneloops. I've been using the AAA's for a couple years now on my tail lights, including winter, and haven't noticed that much of a difference between temperatures as far as the frequency of charging, although tail lights take a lot less juice than an 80 lux headlight. Thanks PaulRivers for the battery life info. It seems there's not a huge change in battery life between Gen 1 & Gen 2 in this regard. I tested at 1.7 hrs. before going to Eco-mode and you had 1:53 before noticeable dimming. What you said about the purplish tint was another factor against the Ixon. I still can't get use to some of the car headlights that exhibit this.
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Originally Posted by landdnl
+1 for the eneloops. I've been using the AAA's for a couple years now on my tail lights, including winter, and haven't noticed that much of a difference between temperatures as far as the frequency of charging, although tail lights take a lot less juice than an 80 lux headlight. Thanks PaulRivers for the battery life info. It seems there's not a huge change in battery life between Gen 1 & Gen 2 in this regard. I tested at 1.7 hrs. before going to Eco-mode and you had 1:53 before noticeable dimming. What you said about the purplish tint was another factor against the Ixon. I still can't get use to some of the car headlights that exhibit this.
Glad to hear my post was useful. I'm planning on testing eneloops out this winter on my porch when it gets cold (I live in Minnesota), so we'll see what that shows. :-)

There's a few big changes between Gen 1 and Gen 2. I own lights from both (mine is roughly Gen 1.2, I got it off amazon us) -

1. Color Temperature. Gen 1 is 5500k and it's a stark white. I'm torn on how I feel about it - you feel like you can see a lot, but it destroys your ability to see outside the beam. Gen 2 is a lower color temp than that, and so far I prefer it. You can still see things fine, and it's easier to see outside the main beam.

2. "Low" mode on the Gen 1 is more of an "emergency backup" mode in my opinion. "Low" on the Gen 2 is a higher and very decent amount of light. I usually have no problem riding most of the time on "Low" on the gen 2 version for the whole ride. When I turn the light on on Low sometimes I forget that it's not on high. Etc.

3. It sounds to me like you've already using a Gen 2 light if you actually make it to 1.7 hours. The Gen 1 light has a hard limit at 1.5 hours where it drops out of high mode to low mode - it's a timer, not a measurement. Either you're off by 0.2, or you do have a Gen 2 light. Gen 1 lights won't go back into high mode after it drops without removing the batteries and putting them back in again (or plugging into a charger). Gen 2 lights, you can hit the power button to go back to high mode if you want.
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Originally Posted by landdnl
The lens is about 2.5mm thick, and is very noticeable from the side as it has a bright glow around the perimeter. This is one of the reasons I want to use it on high.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGqv6ejSLI)

The light beam itself is more noticeable from the side.
Wow, that's a really good video. The guy rides fast! Scary! But he knows what he's doing, and the camera probably makes it look riskier than it is.

I have the dynamo version of the Saferide. I seem to get a lot of respect out there. A lot of pedestrians jaywalk and walk in the bike lanes here. When they seem me aim straight for them with my headlight on, they get out of my way. Maybe my maniacal look contributes to that.
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Fyi. You can order version 2 at amazon.de for just a couple of dollars more then version 1.x from amazon.com including shipping to the US. Philips Beleuchtung LED Bike Light 80 Lux, Batterie-Verison, 38760533: Amazon.de: Sport & Freizeit
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Originally Posted by Kingpcgeek
Fyi. You can order version 2 at amazon.de for just a couple of dollars more then version 1.x from amazon.com including shipping to the US. Philips Beleuchtung LED Bike Light 80 Lux, Batterie-Verison, 38760533: Amazon.de: Sport & Freizeit
I have the Amazon UK webpage saved for the Gen 2. Price is 86 pounds. Thanks for the German link. Saved me quite a bit of money. Ordering now.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
....The Phillips Saferide was a terrible light...Since the Ixon IQ Premium has a fantastic beam pattern, and it's batteries lasts 4-5 hours, I think it's just plain a superior light. :-)
How far we've come....
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Originally Posted by Mr IGH
How far we've come....
Lol, you know...what else can I do but admit I was wrong!

I went out, bought the light to see for myself, and changed my opinion. What else can I do. :-)
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
Lol, you know...what else can I do but admit I was wrong!
Here's another example of your poorly researched posts you present as fact when you don't know anything about the subject...You ripped into drum brakes using an example that doesn't apply and rudely dismissed them....

Originally Posted by PaulRivers
That sounds a lot like a "after extensive training in the olympic sport of drum brake removal, the gold medalist was able to remove it in 10 seconds" kind of answer.

From a quick search, here's a guy who had to go to 4 bike shops to find a guy who had the right tool to remove his drum brake -
https://www.bikeforums.net/tandem-cyc...e-removal.html
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Then you posted this gem:

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Well, since it's "no big deal for anyone with simple mechanical abilities", let's go through the possibilities:
1. You were really drunk and wandered into a walgreens, thinking it was a bike shop
2. You fell asleep watching tv and got a tv episode confused with a half awake dream
3.
The "bike shop" you went into is a front for a money laundering or drug dealing organization...for your own safety, I highly suggest you go somewhere else for bike repairs!


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Oh man, I had forgotten about that second one, that was hilarious.

A number of people who have owned drum brakes have posted about their issues with them from owning them. (Not that their aren't also other, different issues with other braking systems which I've also posted about). It's just my experience that if 25% of people say they're a real pain, another 25% of people claiming they're "easy" and using a lot of adjectives to describe them are usually wishful thinkers. I work in software, where I hear a lot of "that's easy" followed by 1 week of desperately trying to get something to work that's the exact opposite of easy. I've had people claim that taking off the exact IGH hub that I own is quick and easy and I gotta tell you - I've taken it off, and it's neither quick nor easy. (Which doesn't relate to drum brakes as mine does not have them).

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Oh man, I had forgotten about that second one, that was hilarious....
I doubt very much you would say that to my face....
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I doubt very much you would say that to my face....
So you're bored and trying to pic a fight?
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No, not picking a fight, rather, I assume/hope you're not that way in person....
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Paul,

Thanks for posting the differences between the gen-1 and gen-2 Saferide lights. Now I'm debating whether to get a gen-2 or a B&M Ixon Premium.
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Originally Posted by Kingpcgeek
Fyi. You can order version 2 at amazon.de for just a couple of dollars more then version 1.x from amazon.com including shipping to the US. Philips Beleuchtung LED Bike Light 80 Lux, Batterie-Verison, 38760533: Amazon.de: Sport & Freizeit
Ordered it early this morning from Amazon.de, I just checked and it will arrive Monday. Pretty impressive, but shipping was $20(+import duties) of the $90.53 total. But, like you said, it's pretty much the same cost as Gen1 via local Amazon.
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Thanks for posting the differences between the gen-1 and gen-2 Saferide lights. Now I'm debating whether to get a gen-2 or a B&M Ixon Premium.
For me this would come down to battery life. If my rides in the dark were almost always less than 2 hours I would get the phillips. If my rides in the dark were occasionally more than 2 hours I would get the B&M. I ride a lot in the dark for less than 2 hours, but I also ride a lot in the dark for more than 2 hours; B&M for me.
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I'm sure this is annoying to read so often, but you have no idea how FREEING it is to have a dynamo powered lighting system. It feels GREAT to have a constant concern just go away and never come back. If my bike rolls, it lights.
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Originally Posted by noglider
I'm sure this is annoying to read so often, but you have no idea how FREEING it is to have a dynamo powered lighting system. It feels GREAT to have a constant concern just go away and never come back. If my bike rolls, it lights.
No, not annoying. I'm sure I'll go that route in a couple of years. Just not now. Actually, the Saferide will be used as supplemental lighting on the way home from work during rush hour, or when weather is a factor(fog, rain, etc.). So on average it will be used 1 hr/day in good weather 4 days a week(10hr. work day).

BTW. Does this quote ring a bell? Be assertive. If you command respect, you’re more likely to get it(https://patch.com/new-jersey/southorange/the-go-to-bike-guy).

I happen to come across this a couple of weeks ago. Two winters ago I was quite apprehensive approaching an intersection(especially at night). One reason was my lighting wasn't that great. I would slow down approaching an intersection, and there was a good chance someone would pull out in front of me. Last winter(much better lighting) when I approached an intersection I would actually speed up a bit and it works. Of course, always have a plan B if the motorist does pull out in front of you! Anyways, that's the first time I heard that said.



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