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Old 06-29-15, 02:37 PM   #1
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New Bike? mountain or road gearing?

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Can't believe I'm now 50 plus- female, but I have to confess I can't run anymore due to old knees. I've biked my whole life though and need to do more of it for fitness.

I have a trek 7500 multitrack that I ride a lot right now, but I've been drawn in by disk brakes on this one:

Neko SLX - Trek Bicycle

It's a reasonable price, so I'm thinking about. My worry about it (and mine) is the more mountain like gear shifting range. We do a lot of city paved trails riding, and packed gravel paths on weekends. Around our house it's mostly pavement and I do like to go as fast as possible. Having said that, I do use all the low gears on my current bike to climb the hills where we live.

I keep thinking I want more of a road bike with flat bars (have numb wrists many days and like to alter hand position without bending over too much...<sigh>.

So I want to go fast, ride road and packed gravel, climb hills easily and bike every day. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this bike is too mountain bikish for what I want? I keep thinking the geometry of a hybrid might be better for my purposes?

I do have a Jamis road bike I'm going to have to sell, it's too bent over for me these days , so I'm pretty sure I don't want a strictly road bike.

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the Triple crankset a 48,36,26 is falling in between Road 53.39 & mountain 44,32, 22,
getting called Trekking in the naming categories

the Trekking Handlebar type are a Figure8 bend , Near and Far and Side grips, not up and down like road bikes..

Also a nice change.. many more hand positions without bending over
(though the far reach and bent elbows you can lean over. like for headwinds)

and the stock Levers all transfer from the flat bars.

the designers Putting a 12 or 11 t top cog on cassettes, a 48:12 is 4:1 so is a 52:13.( a road high gear for a long time..

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Wow, didn't know what those handle bars are called. They look great. I wonder if they accommodate the built in electronics this bike has for the odometer? I can ask

so it sounds like with a handlebar switch, this might be a nice bike for a lot of road pedaling? The guy trying to sell it to me said he used it for delivery services for 5 years and loved it. We have rain, snow, etc. in WI.

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the Triple crankset a 48,36,26 is falling in between Road 53.39 & mountain 44,32, 22,
getting called Trekking in the naming categories

the Trekking Handlebar type are a Figure8 bend , Near and Far and Side grips, not up and down like road bikes..

Also a nice change.. many more hand positions without bending over
(though the far reach and bent elbows you can lean over. like for headwinds)

and the stock Levers all transfer from the flat bars.

the designers Putting a 12 or 11 t top cog on cassettes, a 48:12 is 4:1 so is a 52:13.( a road high gear for a long time..
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OMG that is geeky! Thanks!
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Wow, didn't know what those handle bars are called. They look great. I wonder if they accommodate the built in electronics this bike has for the odometer? I can ask

so it sounds like with a handlebar switch, this might be a nice bike for a lot of road pedaling? The guy trying to sell it to me said he used it for delivery services for 5 years and loved it. We have rain, snow, etc. in WI.

Thanks!
If the bars are the only problem with your Jamis you can get a new fork and raise them. The new fork will have a longer steer tube and with spacers can rise the bars to level or above your saddle. The picture of the Hybrid you posted will give up a more upright stance but it will also be slower to push than you jamis more than likely. Some of the new road bike offerings do come with disk brakes and with the new mid cage derailleurs and a compact crankset will give you all the gears you will ever need. I have even used a mid cage and adjusted it to take a 11x36 with a compact. With my 50x34 in the front I have mountain bike gearing for climbing and road bike gearing for group rides. Drop bar or Trekking bars will give you more hand positions for longer rides. So a road bike with a compact and disk brakes should at least be looked at before you try to convert a mountain Hybrid into a road bike, IMHO.
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So a road bike with a compact and disk brakes should at least be looked at before you try to convert a mountain Hybrid into a road bike, IMHO.
I was wondering about that. My Trek 7500 multi track works well for the packed trails we have around here, but I was thinking I could modify my Jamis (horrors) to be a more comfortable road ride around here. I'd have to look at something a little less harsh in the tire dept too I think as it's quite the stiff ride, but it has shimano 105's which is pretty decent and it's light and faster than the trek.

I bought the Trek 7500 and loved the comfort so the Jamis retired to the ceiling of the garage , but I do miss the road gearing when I'm road biking.
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Converting the Jamis to a Plush touring ride, plush is just a term, would be easy as I mentioned. 105s are good shifters and dérailleur aren't an arm and a leg for 105 mid cage. You could Use 25s I believe but with the brakes I don't think you could go much bigger. It would be lighter that the one you are looking at and it would cost you less.
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My worry about it (and mine) is the more mountain like gear shifting range. We do a lot of city paved trails riding, and packed gravel paths on weekends. Around our house it's mostly pavement and I do like to go as fast as possible. Having said that, I do use all the low gears on my current bike to climb the hills where we live.
Given the choice between a bike that has some easy hill climb gears that I might never use and one that had some fast riding gears that I'd never use, I'd take the bike with the easy hill climb gears every time. You can always coast down a hill but, if you don't have the power to pedal up, that's embarrassing.
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Given the choice between a bike that has some easy hill climb gears that I might never use and one that had some fast riding gears that I'd never use, I'd take the bike with the easy hill climb gears every time. You can always coast down a hill but, if you don't have the power to pedal up, that's embarrassing.
That has been my philosophy, as well. For me, anything above 100 gear-inches (52/14, 48/13, 44/12 w/ 27" wheels) is a waste of a valuable gear combination, so all of my road bikes top out at 94 to 98 gear-inches. I also find super-low gears impractical, in the sense that I'd rather walk at that point, so I typically don't go below about 40 gear inches on a road bike, or about 30 on a mountain bike.
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I'm looking for around 100 gear-inches at the high end and 25 to 30 gear inches on the hill climb side.
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My Mountain bike with 27.5"/650B wheels 21-80 gear Inches and believe me, above 70 GI's Is for pavement or hard pack level ground..

My 20" wheeled folder,, tops at 90 ish GI's and I use them all.

My Long wheel base Tour easy with just lights, rack and empty bags is 41 pounds with a Gear Inch range of 25-125". Funny,,I use no more than 95 ish, ever.
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I plugged in all the gear ratios yesterday and can't find the link today
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Given the choice between a bike that has some easy hill climb gears that I might never use and one that had some fast riding gears that I'd never use, I'd take the bike with the easy hill climb gears every time. You can always coast down a hill but, if you don't have the power to pedal up, that's embarrassing.
This makes a good deal of sense
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Much of the advice you get from these forums is based on our experience but then again it is based on our own abilities and preferences.

One poster has indicated they pick gears between a much narrower ratio than another. The justification is because they would rather walk than spin a big back cog. Some of us just hate what our fellow cyclists call, "the walk of shame."

As I have said we are all different and have different needs and places we ride.

I like more gear than I need for the times I am into a 20 mile climb and I want a bail out gear. They also help when you are 20 yards from the top of a climb and it is everything you can do to push your crank over the top.

I have friends that have solved this problem by simply not riding up such climbs. To me they miss the sights from the top and the scorching downhill.

The best course is to pick you riding style and what you want from it and then find the bike that fits. You are in the position with your Jamis to do just that if you so choose. But when all is said and done it comes down to if you really want to be fast on pavement or do you want to cruise.
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The first bike posted is not right. The suspension fork is pointless, the geometry is weird, very short reach from saddle to bars, looks like a sit up straight bike for people who ride slow or who want to expend too much effort to go fast.

I'd put a upward angled stem or a steerer tube extender on the Jamis to raise the bars a little, and try that out. If it will accept wider tires, fit those.
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so I found another bike I think I like better: mountain gears/road frame:

7.4 FX Disc - Trek Bicycle

we have a TON of hills... I conquer every one of them and I'm proud of it!!
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so I found another bike I think I like better: mountain gears/road frame:

7.4 FX Disc - Trek Bicycle

we have a TON of hills... I conquer every one of them and I'm proud of it!!
If that is what you want. You will need to get better grips for a flat bar the stock ones are not that comfortable. Ergon GS-2 offers a better grip and built in bar ends for more hand positions. Believe us when we say hand positions make all the difference on longer rides.
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oh gosh yes. I have extensions right now. I do like to vary hand positions. I was thinking about trying those "trekking" handle bars.
I wear gloves too. My hands get numb if I don't vary positions.


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If that is what you want. You will need to get better grips for a flat bar the stock ones are not that comfortable. Ergon GS-2 offers a better grip and built in bar ends for more hand positions. Believe us when we say hand positions make all the difference on longer rides.
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I'm pretty sure a hybrid would work for me... rode one for 25 years back in the day.

It's hard to find them with decent components!

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in WI we basically have bumpy roads due to winter destruction, lots of hills and plenty of hard pack trails. Something like this would give me the nicer mountain bike gearing with a less mountain bike type frame. Because I'm a men's 18, I can find some good discounts on either one. Any thoughts on these?
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From your description of the local riding terrain, I agree you may wish to stick with a hybrid. Mountain type gearing but with narrower tires than a MTB. Probably lighter weight as well. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the two you linked to, so I will offer no recommendation. Good luck on your search!
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Yes, we are all different and we give advice based on our differences. I would never consider a hybrid, under any circumstances. I ride my road bikes on crappy roads and even a bit of dirt. I always use 23mm tires and I love a wide gear range.
I'm not a great climber so I need a low "bail out" gear but I like having a high gear for descents and fast rollers.
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It sounds like I have a bit less tolerance for the ride you desire Take that back, I'm certain of it!


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Yes, we are all different and we give advice based on our differences. I would never consider a hybrid, under any circumstances. I ride my road bikes on crappy roads and even a bit of dirt. I always use 23mm tires and I love a wide gear range.
I'm not a great climber so I need a low "bail out" gear but I like having a high gear for descents and fast rollers.
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dmiller91,

How about a gravel bike? Specialized Diverge. Or a Felt gravel bike. These are the kind that are not full mountain bikes but can do trails and still go fast on roads.

There is another list here on "recreational cross bike and gravel bike".
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