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Old 04-17-06, 04:14 PM   #1
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Maps And More............

Two questions;

Has anyone ever used stem 'Risers' or 'Raisers', and if so what was your experience? I rode 25 on Saturday
and was hoping for 35 on Sunday but my hands/elbows/shoulders started to bother me so I beat a hasty retreat.
I have a wonderful Trek 1200 but it is really the wrong bike for me and I can't afford another one for a bit. Yes,
I've been fitted and have done a search for 'Risers' and 'Raisers' but I'm built a bit like a cartoon character, with
a 50" chest and a 35" waist and have a long heavy torso and short skinny legs.

Secondly, has anyone used DeLorme TOPO 6.0 and where is the cheapest place to buy it?


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Old 04-17-06, 06:27 PM   #2
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I assume you have your current stem in the "upward" position. I think Trek has a 17 degree rise stem available also.

I have seen the extenders used but do not have personal experience. However I actually used an adjustable stem when I put drop bars on my hybrid. The adjustable was enough for me.
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Old 04-17-06, 07:33 PM   #3
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Hey Last Place--Good questions. Seems most bikes are set up for racers or those who wannabe. But a good local bike shop should be able to set you up in a way that's comfortable for YOU. My own choice would be handlebars as high as the seat, which ain't aero, but my back says "thank you."

I have used a riser on a 1980-something Mt. bike which I set up with mustache bars. Very comfy.

BTW, don't get talked into a position that you're not comfortable with--regardless of what the professional fitting says. Ideally, you should make an appointment, and let them keep fitting you with various stem configurations until you're happy. And if they do a good job for you, spread the word, and give them your custom, even if you could save a buck or two somewhere else.

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Old 04-17-06, 11:03 PM   #4
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Two questions;

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Secondly, has anyone used DeLorme TOPO 6.0 and where is the cheapest place to buy it?


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I have not used TOPO 6.0 but have been researching mapping software that will create elevation profiles. I think TOPO 6.0 will be my choice over National Geographic Topo! because it covers a wider area and is cheaper. The best price I have found for a new, registerable copy is HERE

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Old 04-18-06, 09:08 AM   #5
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I have used DeLorme stuff years ago and it would not do the detail that full topos do. I ended up buying the National Geographic series for my state, and one adjacent state. They are really fantastic. Biggest issue with all of the mapping software is being able to print out something either big enough to be useful. Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of 81/2 by 11 sheets to cover any decent area (or too samll to see any detail what-so-ever). I use a 13 x 19 printer, but also have large format printer for my business. Without them, the mapping softwares just are not all that usable.
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Old 04-18-06, 09:27 AM   #6
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On our C'Dale tandem I use a Delta stem riser. I know, it's not cool to use, but I'm way beyond worrying about that. I like getting my bars up to, or slightly above my seat level, especially on the tandem. This riser works just great and is black, so it's not real obvious next to the other black components. You may have to extend some cables, etc. but it's important to be comfortable. We often ride with other tandem teams, and more than once I've been responsible for others deciding to purchase a Delta riser. I wouldn't want to be without it. OHB
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Old 04-18-06, 02:34 PM   #7
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Hey Last Place--Good questions. Seems most bikes are set up for racers or those who wannabe. But a good local bike shop should be able to set you up in a way that's comfortable for YOU. My own choice would be handlebars as high as the seat, which ain't aero, but my back says "thank you."
I ride a mountain bike- but used to set it up differently for road use. I had a 7degree ride stem that for mountain biking was up and for road use was down. With it in the down position, I was more aerodynamic and felt comfortablefor the road use- No way could I use that set up Off road but it is a simple job to reverse the stem.

Unfortunately- Bodies change and mine did after a couple of Ops. I can no longer ride with my Nose just above my knees- so does not matter what type of ride it is. the Saddle is set up perfectly for me and the bars are just above the saddle. Only thing that may alter is the closeness of the bars to the saddle and that is coming down gradually as I adapt to my my more comfortable riding position
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Old 04-18-06, 04:20 PM   #8
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I also installed a Delta Stem Riser on my touring bike. Unlike Old Hammer Boy, mine is chrome and I’ve never even thought about it being un-cool. During installation, I had two issues. The first was the cable issue, which only required that I extend the front brake cable. The back brake cable and the gear cables were already long enough. The second issue was related to my bikes threadless stem. Apparently, the most common configuration has a star-fangled nut inserted in the fork tube. The Delta Stem Riser comes with a bolt that engages the star-fangled nut during installation to adjust the play in the headset. The design of my bikes stem does not utilize the above-mentioned star-fangled nut. Instead, it is adjusted through a process similar to standing on one foot and waving your arms in the air while reciting a special incantation. After a few false starts I managed to get the riser installed and have enjoyed it ever since. My recommendation is to go for it. You can always ride around a few miles with one or both of the brake cables hanging free until you decide if it is right for you.

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Old 04-19-06, 09:30 AM   #9
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The Rivendell catalogue is (surprise surprise) quite opinionated about the various aspects of your handlebars, seat alignment, position, coolness, extensions and the quality of various products. It appears to be a love hate thing with some of us bike guys. You might get a hold of one of their catelogues and see some of their solutions.
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Old 04-19-06, 11:57 PM   #10
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Hi,
I was a beta tester for DeLorme Topo USA 6. I haven't loaded the production version yet.
The new version has quite a few improvements.
For me the best new features are fixing routable trails and allowing you to copy tracks to trails.
This allows me to create a network of routable trails from my bike trail network of Metro Denver area (tracklogs). I can then create various loop alternatives and get the distance.
New version also improves waypoint management and adds 3D fly-byes.

DeLorme has 24K Topo quads comperable to the National Geographic TOPO! state series.
I have both. Topo USA is more similar in detail to NG Back roads explorer in terms of maps.
DeLorme hass much more powerful mapping capabilities. You can view diffetent data side by side (e.g. USGS Quads|Sat10 color photos|Higher Res BW phots against the updated roads of TOPO USA 6.
The routable trails feature is neat.
National Geographic does not allow you to upload the tracks you map to a GPS.
If you don't want to upload tracks to a GPS, then you might consider NG TOPO!. I find that feature critical for my uses.
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Old 04-20-06, 02:44 AM   #11
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I use a cheap adjustable stem and North Road bars on both my main bikes. Put 'em where you want 'em. I've been plenty cool in my life and now I don't care.
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Old 04-20-06, 11:47 AM   #12
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Be sure to ck your saddle adjustment as well. Too far back or too forward can cause problems to. Hand problems etc I find are often caused by a poor saddle or improper adjustment of it.
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Old 04-21-06, 06:16 AM   #13
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Check doghouse's post. It is possible to flip your stem over and get a significant rise out of the stem that you have. No purchase required.
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Old 04-21-06, 10:41 AM   #14
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Two Questions..............

WOW! The response to my questions has, as usual, been great. Thanks for all the replies.

Where do I begin? I have the Delta riser and the cables were not long enough so I had the lbs where I bought it put it on for me and its a tad ugly, but is slightly covered by the gel carrier that I attach to the
top tube/headset tube. I will sneak out of work a bit early today and will give it a try on my evening
ride. The handlebars are finally level with my Brooks so it will be quite a change. Since I've always been
more than a bit 'Fred' the folks I ride with will have some fun with it....... in a good natured way.

As for TOPO 6.0. Dogbait.........wish I had seen your reply before I sent DeLorme sixty dollars but things
happen. It should arrive here (Columbia, SC) on Monday and I look forward to learning how to use it.

This summer I would like to ride some good hills and TOPO can help me find them and the 'riser' just might
make it more comfortable. Last year I did 1k from June to October and hope to double that this year.

Thanks again for all the help.


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Old 04-22-06, 12:33 AM   #15
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Well, I got the DeLorme software in the mail today and have been playing around with it this evening. I think it will do what I want which is to display an elevation profile and a map of some of my usual routes. Eventually, I will use it to lay out, in advance, the daily routes of a mutli-day tour around the Oregon Coast and the Willamette Valley. I have a ways to go in learning how to use the software and how it will integrate with my photo editing apps but it looks good so far. Here is a sample of one of my 25 mile training rides.



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