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Old 09-27-06, 11:24 AM   #1
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What was that on TV

I spent last week in Italy on business. Usually I feel very comfortable during my international travels and have spent so much time in Italy over the years that it is almost like being at home.
However on Sunday I had a real shock that once again made me realize I was truly in a foreign land. While atteding a trade show in Verona, my Italian counterpart and I decided to break for a quick lunch at a snack stand. These places are located all about the convention areas and sell Pannini sandwiches, ice cream, coffee, beer etc. There are always huge crowds trying to get an afternoon espresso or beer. While standing in a line of people 5 deep what do I see on the overhead TV, not football, or soccer, but rather it was the cycling world championship.!!! Not only that, but the crowd was watching it, seemed to know what was going on!! and weren't yelling for the barrista to change the channel.
Suddenly I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore. Who were these strangers?
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Old 09-27-06, 11:55 AM   #2
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Wish I had a reply for you as they are strangers to me aswell.

I used to take part in a weekend of sporting activities at Mulhouse on the French/ Swiss border. You name the sport and it was there- Including my sport of Karting- where we were doing a 24 hour race. This was a full long weekend of sport though and it was the first time I have ever seen so many people interested in sport- not just their favourite one- just Sport. At the finish was the prize presentation of the various sports and it went on for hours. As I say- You name it and that sport was there. But the Highlight was a challenge for all to try the sports. Ever tried Petanque at 2 am or or a 10 km race through the town at 4pm- but the roads closed down to let the novices race through the town centre. Or 5 aside gang warfare- Supposed to be football but it got out of hand, when the karters played the Ladies Hockey team. Downside was that the return was a Kart race between the hockey team and the karters and it cost me a new frame when it went offroad and through the trees. (Women drivers)

The continentals of Europe love sport- ANY SPORT.
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Old 09-27-06, 03:48 PM   #3
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I spent last week in Italy on business.... While standing in a line of people 5 deep what do I see on the overhead TV, not football, or soccer, but rather it was the cycling world championship.!!! Not only that, but the crowd was watching it, seemed to know what was going on!! and weren't yelling for the barrista to change the channel.
Suddenly I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore. Who were these strangers?
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Old 09-27-06, 04:39 PM   #4
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>>> . . .there is civilization, and then there are those that are civilized. These people, my friend, are the civilized within the civilization!

Wow NOS', that's a good line at a whole lot of levels. Mind if I use it? [Attributed, of course.]
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Yes, the civility of those lining the road up Alpe d'Huez is often marked by a gentility of manner and a sobriety unknown in Detroit. Of course, watching bare-beer-bellied fans with their faces painted Raider black and gray does nothing for my American sports culture pride. No doubt they serve better food along the European race course than they do at Wrigley Field. I'll take a dark beer and pannini any day over a hot dog and Schlitz. Of course, the garlic fries at At&T Park (still PacBell to me) are incomparable.
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- wife unit was in Firenze (Florence) last week, staying at a hotel near the finish line of the Giro Toscana... unfortunately, i understand the finish was in a heavy rain...
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Dan-you've got to find a job that keeps you closer to home!! I bet you missed your morning rides in Italy??

I was hoping it took place in California........that way it might work it's way across the US so it'd be more popular on the East Coast in a year or two. Sounds like it might still be a few years away in continental US.
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Yes, the civility of those lining the road up Alpe d'Huez is often marked by a gentility of manner and a sobriety unknown in Detroit. Of course, watching bare-beer-bellied fans with their faces painted Raider black and gray does nothing for my American sports culture pride. No doubt they serve better food along the European race course than they do at Wrigley Field. I'll take a dark beer and pannini any day over a hot dog and Schlitz. Of course, the garlic fries at At&T Park (still PacBell to me) are incomparable.
I guess that was partly in jest. Fan behavior on the Alpe in some years past has been horrendous according to all the racers (spitting, beer tossing and swearing at racers); and the fans in the Pyrennes for mtn top finishes look (and are reported) to be mostly blotto and truly obnoxious. Having said that it would be cool to go to the corner bar and watch the UCI RR worlds on the telly. I should also add that I lived in Europe for 4 years (2 yrs Spain, 2 yrs Germany) and really loved it.
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Strangely enough, in France I had to ask the bartender to put the Tour de France on one of the dozen TV's in the place which were all tuned into soccer.

And then everyone else in the place looked at me like I was some sort of martian.
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Old 09-27-06, 11:33 PM   #10
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I guess that was partly in jest. .
Yes, very much so. Sports fans are sports fans....and chess tournament propriety can't be expected of them I suppose. TdF antics are much the equivalent of SuperBowl stuff. At least there aren't the riots that soccer incites. Having umpired Little League and Girls' Softball, I can vouch that fan behavior is sometimes little better down in the grass roots. One night at a Giants' game, I watched a 200Plus pound bozo fan knock over an elderly woman lunging for a foul...he was so busy elbowing for the ball he never apologized to her. Rant ended.
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... (and are reported) to be mostly blotto...
dang!, struck right between the eyes, I realized itz been years since I've heard 'blotto'.
certainly was at least before Gore invented the internet.
so I looked it up...
Wikipedia claims there was a Rock band down Albany NY way, named Blotto, in the 70s & 80s...
wonder where they headlined... Dew Drop Inn?
another found URL claimed "...blotto is a multidisciplinary design firm in Berlin. We specialise in the development of corporate design for clients in the cultural sector..."
AH, those Germans, so chic, so .... well, you know.... cultural
finally, the FreeDictionary got me back to terra firma
"besotted, blind drunk, crocked, fuddled, pie-eyed, slopped, sloshed, sozzled, squiffy, tiddley, tiddly, tipsy, potty, smashed, soaked, soused, pissed, pixilated, plastered, cockeyed, loaded, wet, stiff, tight"

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I've always thought that there's a difference between the sports fan who follows his or her passion on the radio, in the paper, on TV, or other mediums (as available) vs. those that go to the "highlight" events like the Super Bowl, TdF, World Cups, etc. I think, perhaps mistakenly, that many of those who go to the big events are there for the glitz, party, prestige of saying they were there, etc. I know that in Philadelphia, as an example, there are thousands of people who show up for the Philadelphia International Bike Race who know nothing about bike racing. They aren't really fans. Among those there, the real fans of the sport are in a very small minority. And, my experience of having been at 18 of the 21 years this race has been held, is that the fans are pretty well behaved... they are indeed civilized.
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dang!, struck right between the eyes, I realized itz been years since I've heard 'blotto'.
certainly was at least before Gore invented the internet.
so I looked it up...
Wikipedia claims there was a Rock band down Albany NY way, named Blotto, in the 70s & 80s...
wonder where they headlined... Dew Drop Inn?
another found URL claimed "...blotto is a multidisciplinary design firm in Berlin. We specialise in the development of corporate design for clients in the cultural sector..."
AH, those Germans, so chic, so .... well, you know.... cultural
finally, the FreeDictionary got me back to terra firma
"besotted, blind drunk, crocked, fuddled, pie-eyed, slopped, sloshed, sozzled, squiffy, tiddley, tiddly, tipsy, potty, smashed, soaked, soused, pissed, pixilated, plastered, cockeyed, loaded, wet, stiff, tight"

right on

this internet thang, totally boss
Long live FreeDictionary! Think if I had used the term over in the regular forum. They would not have had a clue. "Boss." Now there's one I don't here too much any more.

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Yes, the civility of those lining the road up Alpe d'Huez is often marked by a gentility of manner and a sobriety unknown in Detroit.
Huh? "Gentility of manner" and "sobriety" are two terms I would never expect to be used to describe that lot.

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Of course, watching bare-beer-bellied fans with their faces painted Raider black and gray does nothing for my American sports culture pride.
Versus watching the bare-beer-bellied fans on Alpe d'Huez with their faces painted orange or red white and green?

Or were you being ironic? It's so hard to tell nowadays.
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The only true sport here is Rugby, anything else is for poofs or girls, pathetic eh !
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Be it known....CrossChain was being ironic above. He doesn't care what nationality of lout pukes on his stadium blaket, urinates in the parking lot with his young daughter watching, or which team color they've painted their hairy bellies. They all try his aging patience. Sports events should be a celebration of passion to exceed and passion to be a part of someone's hard won success....not an excuse and venue for a minority of yahoos to reveal themselves in all their crack-ass glory.

*There, I feel better.

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Be it known....CrossChain was being ironic above. He doesn't care what nationality of lout pukes on his stadium blaket, urinates in the parking lot with his young daughter watching, or which team color they've painted their hairy bellies. They all try his aging patience. Sports events should be a celebration of passion to exceed and passion to be a part of someone's hard won success....not an excuse and venue for a minority of yahoos to reveal themselves in all their crack-ass glory.

*There, I feel better.
+1, Bingo, Right on, and I agree 100%!!!
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this thread really journeyed off on quite a tangent.
I merely wanted to point out that in some countries seeing bike races on TV is considered pretty normal.
As a side note, while driving to the trade show on Sunday morning I couldn't believe the number of roadies out. Every other mile I was passing some coming and going on the road alone and in pairs etc.
If I ever have a little more time on one of my trips I would love to do a little riding in this area.
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