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    Pcycling and psychology

    Hello all

    There are a number of threads in this forum and others on this site about "who cheated, how and when..." in connection with competitive cycling.

    My take is, anyone who will dedicate their life to enduring pain in order to gain a soon forgotten prize is a bit barmy.

    I studied with an American wise chap (Professor David McClelland) who studied "Motivation." Apologies to those who know more about this---

    My summary of his writing is

    We all have a varying combination of

    Achievement Drive - the drive to set and achieve personal goals
    Affiliation Drive - the drive to create and maintain close personal connections
    Influence Drive - the drive to understand and influence those who can help or hinder you

    With this construct in mind:

    To be a competitive cyclist (and any other sport), you need an Achievement Drive greater than others. Quote from Lance - " People ask me what I'm on. I'm on my bike. In the snow, on Christmas Day". Or Floyd, training at midnight

    All of this is underpinning the genetic profile to put you way beyond any normal competitor.

    So, what's the problem?

    McClelland's view of strong Achievement Drive people is that they are soloist, personal driven. and view rules and regulations as interference from people who don't really understand. They view rules as interference, and will cut corners that they don't respect.
    (a pal of mine applied this to an examination of the Kennedy/ Nixon debate way back when)

    So -

    McClelland's view is that your drives are influencenced, by the age of about 8, for good or bad by what your parents encourage. If they say ' be nice, wait your turn' , then that's what you do. If they say 'dog eats dog, devil takes the hindmost' then you're likely to be an uncompromising pusher. If you don't have a supportive dad, you say "look at me". (Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden and the appalling fellow who drove an aeroplane into the towers all had fathers who told them that they'd never amouint to anything.)

    The chap who wrote a book about Lance and TDF 2004 (Daniel Coyne) pointed out that few competitive cyclists had a supportive family. Most had either critical, absent or dysfunctional Dads, Most had a drive to prove themselves against critical family circumstances.

    As\a world class athlete, those who have she smarts and a bit of Influence Motive, might realise that the job requires dealing with the regulatory authotities. Otherwise, the most inspitational, wonderful heroes ( mine are Robert Millar and Marco Pantani) might be overlooked by history.

    !

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    Wonderful post. I've used McClelland's theories in my consulting practice with organizations.
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    Sorry, I didn't spell check or edit the last paragraph!

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    Sounds like pure B.S. to me, but thought-provoking nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee
    Wonderful post. I've used McClelland's theories in my consulting practice with organizations.
    Thanks DG

    How's the Roubaix? You were asking about names - I come fom Yorkshire UK, where "Babe" was set, although it was never named. I think "That'll do, Pig" might be a name to consider.

    (My lovely wife comes from Santa Cruz CA, where we still have a little house. See you there one of these days? I'm told that there are some keen cyclists thare, but coming from Yorkshire and Bahrain I find it hard to believe!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobblyoldgeezer
    Thanks DG

    How's the Roubaix? You were asking about names - I come fom Yorkshire UK, where "Babe" was set, although it was never named. I think "That'll do, Pig" might be a name to consider.

    (My lovely wife comes from Santa Cruz CA, where we still have a little house. See you there one of these days? I'm told that there are some keen cyclists thare, but coming from Yorkshire and Bahrain I find it hard to believe!)
    I've sort of settled on a name, but I'm not completely sure so I'm not going public just yet. I loved Babe! And Santa Cruz is pretty far from San Diego, but if you come, I'll come up and meetcha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link
    Sounds like pure B.S. to me, but thought-provoking nonetheless.
    Yup, and I'm not trying to state a point of view

    Just to suggest a line of discussion - along the lines of " those people who are most dedicated, are the most unlikely to obey rules"

    Cheers,

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    [QUOTE=Digital Gee]I've sort of settled on a name, but I'm not completely sure so I'm not going public just yet.

    My dog's called Wilfred

    If the rest of the world could be like him, problems would be less.

    Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee
    Wonderful post. I've used McClelland's theories in my consulting practice with organizations.
    Hey

    A couple of things about Affiliation Motive

    Sean Yates, everyone's favourite cycling team member 1992 to 2002 - "my job's to get the fast guys to the front"
    Charlie Watts, everyone's favorite drummer " My job's to let Mick and Keith sound good"

    (and, O/T, Charlie was on a BBC programe about ageing ( so it's maybe on topic for 50+)
    "Quite often I hear something on the radio, some music, and I think - wow, I'll have to remember that drum riff - and then, blimey, it was me!)

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    I'll take my super supportive Dad over world class achievement any day. He was truly world class and I miss him..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobblyoldgeezer
    Hey



    Sean Yates, everyone's favourite cycling team member 1992 to 2002 -
    Not critising your choice here but Sean Yates has the most boring voice I have ever heard as a commentator. His facts are spot on and he knows cycling and the riders inside out. If his was the only voice on Race commentories- I would turn the volume off and just watch the pictures.
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    Wonderful post. I've used McClelland's theories in my consulting practice with organizations
    http://despair.com/consulting.html

    Sorry DG. I couldn't resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNBikeguy
    http://despair.com/consulting.html

    Sorry DG. I couldn't resist.
    Now I know how you can afford all those bikes...
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