Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-31-07, 06:41 AM   #1
maddmaxx 
Small Member
Thread Starter
 
maddmaxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Bikes: Leader home built hardtail, Diamondback Response
Posts: 7,140
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1216 Post(s)
We were just talking about this

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/...s/13022.0.html

Electric shifting with computer control appears to be farther along then we realized.
maddmaxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 06:46 AM   #2
Floyd
el padre
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: South East Kansas
Bikes: Rans Stratus, ICE TRike, other assorted
Posts: 1,490
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
With all the "miniaturization" of electronics and technology, it is about time. Even after they perfect the system I'll have to wait till the price comes down.
peace
Floyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 07:42 AM   #3
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
I know one person who won't be buying it. I don't even like indexing.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 07:43 AM   #4
The Weak Link
Banned.
 
The Weak Link's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Post-partisan Paradise
Bikes: GF Wahoo '05, Trek T1000 '04, Lemond Buenos Aires '07
Posts: 4,938
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Ah yes, the simple joys of hopping on a bike and riding off......
The Weak Link is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 08:48 AM   #5
card
Happy Rider
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Bikes: Gold Rush, Moots compact, Bike Friday Pocket Crusoe
Posts: 749
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
They mentioned on the tech section of Versus' TV of the TdF that 5 riders were using the new electronic stuff. IIRC, both Campy & Shimano had riders using it. They showed a shot on one of the hoods and the number of the cassette gear was showing.
card is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 08:52 AM   #6
George
Senior Member
 
George's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Katy Texas
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix
Posts: 5,409
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
It seems to me they are trying to take the joy out of bicycle riding. Years ago Honda came out with a automatic motorcycle and it was a big flop. I think the same thing would happen if they put it on bicycles
__________________
George
George is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 08:55 AM   #7
Beverly
Senior Member ??
 
Beverly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Englewood,Ohio
Bikes: 2007 Trek Madone 5.0 WSD - 2007 Trek 4300 WSD - 2008 Trek 520 - 2014 Catrike Trail
Posts: 5,094
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd View Post
With all the "miniaturization" of electronics and technology, it is about time. Even after they perfect the system I'll have to wait till the price comes down.
peace
+1 on the price coming down. Just like other electronics it will take a couple years before it's affordable for most people. I just hope they make it available before I'm too old to ride
__________________
=============================================================

Enjoy the little things in life, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things.
-- Antonio Smith
Beverly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 09:00 AM   #8
bobkat
bobkat
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bismarck, ND
Bikes: Modified Burley Koosah, Trek Navigater folding, downtube folding
Posts: 746
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I wasn't clear on whether these shifters were allowed on the Tour itself or other racing situations. Seems to me that part of being a racer (or any other biking) is the human judgment and technique and skill of shifting gears as well as pumping the pedals. If electric shifting were allowed what's next? Electric pedal pushing too?
bobkat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 10:09 AM   #9
stonecrd
OnTheRoad or AtTheBeach
 
stonecrd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Weston, FL
Bikes: Ridley Noah RS, Scott CR1 Pro
Posts: 2,170
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Seems to me that there is very little benefit. It will be difficult to make it lighter, it still needs cables and now you have to be concerned that if your battery runs out your a fixi. Maybe if they get it to work wirelessly (that will be fun with crosstalk) and get rid of cables it might provide more advantage but I don't see why anyone would pay extra for it.
__________________
The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard and the shallow end is much too large

2013 Noah RS
stonecrd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 10:28 AM   #10
roccobike
Bike Junkie
 
roccobike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: South of Raleigh, North of New Hill, East of Harris Lake, NC
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Speialized Roubaix, Giant OCR-C, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR, Stumpjumper Comp, 88 & 92Nishiki Ariel, 01 Bianchi Campione, 87 Centurion Ironman, 92 Paramount
Posts: 9,447
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
I think it's a great idea. All the OCP types will HAVE to have electronic shifting. This demand will lead to a flood of used, top end 10 speed stuff. That's when I move to 10 speed.
I'm not joking. My 8 speed Rockhopper now has XT shifters, brake levers and brakes along with LX derailers. All upgrades from the original Allivio/Tektro level for $65, and I still have the original components.
__________________
Roccobike BF Official Thread Terminator
roccobike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 07:35 PM   #11
Old School
Senior Member
 
Old School's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Marin County, CA
Bikes: Trek 5500 OCLV, Trek Fuel EX 9
Posts: 1,179
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
I know one person who won't be buying it. I don't even like indexing.
How 'bout a "fixie", Dawg?
Old School is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 08:01 PM   #12
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old School View Post
How 'bout a "fixie", Dawg?
I'm going to build one someday. I have an old frame with horizontal dropouts. All I need to get is a round tuit.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 08:23 PM   #13
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.
Posts: 26,908
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 210 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobkat View Post
Seems to me that part of being a racer (or any other biking) is the human judgment and technique and skill of shifting gears
How much less techniqueful can it get than STI? My bikes are all pretty much "click and snick" now. Maybe they could emplant electrcal contacts in your helmet so that just thinking about shifting will make your bike shift.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 09:00 PM   #14
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
How much less techniqueful can it get than STI? My bikes are all pretty much "click and snick" now. Maybe they could emplant electrcal contacts in your helmet so that just thinking about shifting will make your bike shift.
Amen to that. Even indexed downtube and bar end shifters at least had a direct and simple connection to the derailleurs. You move the lever, the cable moves the derailleur which moves the chain. With the brake lever shifters the action seems so disconnected from the result. Electronic shifting would take that disconnection to the next level. I guess after that they'll use servo motors and computer chips to simulate the feel and feedback of a real shifter.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 09:14 PM   #15
Digital Gee
I need more cowbell.
 
Digital Gee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Reno, Nevada
Bikes: 2015 Specialized Sirrus Elite, 2012 Masi Evoluzione
Posts: 8,111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Listen to you guys! I bet you would have complained when they made the wheels the same size instead of one big one in front, and one little one in back!!!
__________________
2015 Sirrus Elite
2012 Masi Evoluzione

Proud member of the original Club Tombay
Digital Gee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 09:53 PM   #16
BluesDawg
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2015 Specialized AWOL Comp frameset (custom build), 2015 Zukas custom road, 2014 Specialized Crave Pro 29, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
Posts: 13,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
Listen to you guys! I bet you would have complained when they made the wheels the same size instead of one big one in front, and one little one in back!!!
No. I like changes that make the experience of riding better, like clipless pedals for instance.
BluesDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-07, 11:41 PM   #17
Dogbait
lunatic fringe
 
Dogbait's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miles from Nowhere, Columbia County, OR
Bikes: 1980 Schwinn World Sport, 1982 Schwinn Super Le Tour, 1984 (?) Univega Single Speed/Fixed conversion, Kogswell G58 fixed gear, 1987 Schwinn Super Sport
Posts: 1,111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Just over a month ago, I finally took the plunge and bought a bike with indexed shifters. I'm sure they will have the bugs worked out of the electronic shifters when I get them in about 15 years.

I still like that, with my friction shifters, I can go from a 7 speed wheel set up for flat routes to an 8 speed for the hills without having to mess with the dérailleur.
Dogbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-07, 05:03 AM   #18
maddmaxx 
Small Member
Thread Starter
 
maddmaxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Bikes: Leader home built hardtail, Diamondback Response
Posts: 7,140
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1216 Post(s)
How many new automobiles on the lots have "paddle shifters"? Are they better or are they just like "what the formula 1 boys use?


On the other hand, do you still churn your butter in a barrel? Do you have a push mower? Do you shovel snow?

Or...........................are your bike clothes made of dry wicking fiber and are your shorts "bibs"?


That seems one of the hardest parts of getting "old". Which of the new technologies should I embrace and which should I hate?
maddmaxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-07, 07:24 AM   #19
gear
Senior Member
 
gear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North shore of Mass.
Bikes:
Posts: 2,131
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
My understanding is that the batteries recharge quickly and have a battery gauge so you can see if its' low on juice. Running out of juice would be about the same as having a shifter cable break while out on a ride (which has happened to me a couple of times).

I get the feeling some people think this is some sort of automatic transmission, but you still shift gears, its just done electronically rather than through mechanics.

I too would rather see it operate wireless over wired. We'll see how the finished system works and how it looks.
gear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-07, 09:07 AM   #20
BSLeVan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,737
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The nice thing is that, to my knowledge, no one is forcing us to use any particular shifting system. We still get to choose. Granted, it's harder and harder to find older friction stuff and most of the local LBS will stay current with the market place while not stocking as much of the older technology as some might like. But, we still get to pick what we ride. My rides currently include friction shifting, indexed shifting (8, 9 & 10 speeds), and I suspect if they get the electronic system nailed down, I'll get one of those too.... assuming the price is something I can afford.
BSLeVan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-07, 11:22 AM   #21
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.
Posts: 26,908
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 210 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
Listen to you guys! I bet you would have complained when they made the wheels the same size instead of one big one in front, and one little one in back!!!
So what's your point?

Go take some more photos for us old guys to drool over.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-07, 02:27 PM   #22
SaiKaiTai
Senior Member
 
SaiKaiTai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,990
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by George View Post
It seems to me they are trying to take the joy out of bicycle riding. Years ago Honda came out with a automatic motorcycle and it was a big flop. I think the same thing would happen if they put it on bicycles
I feel the same way about automatics vs clutches in cars.
No clutch = no fun.
SaiKaiTai is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:53 PM.