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Old 08-13-07, 09:29 AM   #1
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What is happening to my body?

Seriously. I'm baffled. When I got back into this game last April, I topped out at 225 lbs on my 5'10" frame. Yeah, that's a lot to carry. But, I started trending downward, kind of yo-yo'd a little bit but, now -for the past few months- I've kind of stabilized at 194-195 lbs. 30 lbs lost... cool. But even though the weight hasn't continued to fall off, based on how my clothes fit, how many belt notches I have to use to get my pants to stay up, and just my general appearance (I have no more love handles, really) something is still going on. I know about "muscle replacing fat" and all that but just how much muscle have I added anyway? And isn't it odd -to say the least- that I seem to be adding muscle at exactly the same rate as I'm burning off fat? No, I find that just a bit hard to believe. Anybody want to weigh in on this one? ( "Weigh in..." I can't believe he said that...)
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Seriously. I'm baffled. When I got back into this game last April, I topped out at 225 lbs on my 5'10" frame. Yeah, that's a lot to carry. But, I started trending downward, kind of yo-yo'd a little bit but, now -for the past few months- I've kind of stabilized at 194-195 lbs. 30 lbs lost... cool. But even though the weight hasn't continued to fall off, based on how my clothes fit, how many belt notches I have to use to get my pants to stay up, and just my general appearance (I have no more love handles, really) something is still going on. I know about "muscle replacing fat" and all that but just how much muscle have I added anyway? And isn't it odd -to say the least- that I seem to be adding muscle at exactly the same rate as I'm burning off fat? No, I find that just a bit hard to believe. Anybody want to weigh in on this one? ( "Weigh in..." I can't believe he said that...)
Why are you baffled?

You have explained it quite well. Reread your post. And, by-the-way, congratulations. That is just wonderful!
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The muscle is more dense. Less added muscle weighs the same as more lost fat. The good side of this is that muscle uses more calories than fat just to hang around so you can remove fat even faster.
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Another possibility (a strong possibility, actually) is that your body has been taken over by aliens. This may mean that the Mother Ship is nearby.
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DG - do you know this from personal experience?
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I'd better not comment any further.

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Speaking of salt and pepper, how come your eyebrows are still so dark?
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Another possibility (a strong possibility, actually) is that your body has been taken over by aliens. This may mean that the Mother Ship is nearby.
Yeah, I've seen that movie... No, I guess it was more than one movie.
That was a pretty common theme in 50's flicks.

Another thought that struck me is that I rode a lot... maybe as much -maybe not- but not quite as hard in the early to mid 80's. Back then, I was 20 years younger (duh) and maybe 20 lbs lighter than I am now. I feel better now than I ever have in my life. Maybe I just forgot how good I felt 20 year ago?

But, seriously -that leaves you out, DG. Sorry- is it normal to add muscle at the same rate as losing fat? Funny how that works out.
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Speaking of salt and pepper, how come your eyebrows are still so dark?
My genes are too tight.
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Maybe it's because you are doping.
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You need to eat less. It's hard, and even harder when you know you're burning a lot of calories and getting stronger. Weight Watchers point system really helped me.
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Eat less? For what? Oh, you mean to lose more? Well sure, I know that and I am beginning to wrap my head around the concept, believe me. But the question isn't "how do I lose more weight?" it's "why is my body shape continuing to change while exhibiting no net weight loss?"

Another little tidbit... I guess the basic rule of thumb is 40 calories per mile (give or take, depending on effort). Holy moley! On my ride Saturday, I burned nearly 1000 calories! Unbelievable.

edit: Right. I, too, am a BIG believer in the WW point system. It works
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Eat less? For what? Oh, you mean to lose more? Well sure, I know that and I am beginning to wrap my head around the concept, believe me. But the question isn't "how do I lose more weight?" it's "why is my body shape continuing to change while exhibiting no net weight loss?"

Another little tidbit... I guess the basic rule of thumb is 40 calories per mile (give or take, depending on effort). Holy moley! On my ride Saturday, I burned nearly 1000 calories! Unbelievable.

edit: Right. I, too, am a BIG believer in the WW point system. It works
Yes, that's alomst 1/3rd of a pound weight loss, if you don't eat anything, that is!

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I had about the same experience. My guess is that for a while the increased output/decreased input/muscle increase/fat burning balances out such that more fat is being burned off than muscle added. Then you reach a point where it balances out. The muscles continue to be built and the calories are burnt, but the remaining fat is not as easy to burn, so the weight stays the same. To break the balance, you'll need to either increase the output or decrease the input (or both). I've been at that balance point for a year now at 200 lbs (down from 230 2 years ago). I'm finally starting to break the stalemate and drop some more weight.
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Holy moley! On my ride Saturday, I burned nearly 1000 calories! Unbelievable.
This thread closely matches a conversation I had this weekend. Last summer I worked really hard on diet and exercise to drop 20 pounds (to 195 pounds). I increased my avg. distance from 10-15 to 20-25 miles. This year I discovered the joys of longer rides and my usual ride this year are 30-50. I changed my eating habits to replenish energy levels rather than drop weight. I'm still losing weight, but only about a pound a month and expect to hit 185 by the end of the year.

My Saturday ride was 35 miles so I burned 1400 calories. But the sports drink and energy bar counted for around 500 calories, and the celebratory ice cream was another 400-500, so my net burn was 400 calories.
Still, I'm burning more than I'm taking in so I'm happy!
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You can reduce your carb intake and force your body to break down fat a little faster. This will work best if you are continually working out. It is also dangerous to cut out all carbs for extended periods, but it is amazing how quickly your body fat component will drop. I find the cravings for carbs get intense when I try this, so maybe just pick one meal a day to lay off the bread/potato/pasta/pie, etc.
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There's an easy explanation. When you weigh, your wife is putting her foot on the scale behind you.
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Speaking of salt and pepper, how come your eyebrows are still so dark?
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Old 08-13-07, 11:29 AM   #19
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I KNEW it!!
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Another possibility (a strong possibility, actually) is that your body has been taken over by aliens. This may mean that the Mother Ship is nearby.
Trust me on this one: the aliens mean you no harm, and they're disguised as mini-Coopers. Don't let them freak you out.
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Similar things here, I've lost about 30 pounds too, actually that happened pretty fast, but recently I've had to buy new pants, all my belts are on the smallest hole and the new pants I bought are loose too already. All that and staying within about 5 or so pounds over the last three months. But unlike SOME PEOPLE I'm not whining about it.
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Hey now, I ain't whining... I like it.
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Your experience demonstrates that what the scale says is not as important as what the mirror and our clothes say. As muscle develops from exercise, you will have a more streamlined appearance -- not just a smaller but still-flabby person that results from dieting alone (I hate the word "diet" but for lack of a better word...).

My weight loss was very slow, averaging about 1 pound/month, sometimes less when I chose to stabilize for a while. Cycling really helps and I am very careful to eat enough, and often. And now, I match my food intake to fuel my output, rather than "dieting" and then exercising to burn it off.

Good job, hang in there!
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Hey now, I ain't whining... I like it.
So whats the problem?
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So whats the problem?
I have an insatiable curiosity and desire to know how and why things work
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