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    So, if we might need to ask for help, does that make us helpless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crtreedude View Post
    So, if we might need to ask for help, does that make us helpless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    I guess one perspective is that there is very little that happen's in one's life that isn't related in one fashion or another to bicycling.
    That's such a sweeping generalization that I have to disagree, just on basic principals.

    I know that there is/was a direct link between my physical health/heart problems and my bicycling.
    And that's one of the reasons 50+ is a legitimate bicycling sub-forum. There are things that happen to us that the young-uns just don't get.

    And, I greatly enjoy the humor expressed here, and sometimes even think about when I am - - - - you guessed it, BICYCLING!
    Which is something I'm not certain everyone does enough of around here. Some of you are on the fourm so much I don't know when you can fit in time to go to the can, let alone ride a bike. Or have a colonoscopy (see: not enough time to go to the can.)

    However, I would support a sort of "conversation" sub-forum
    Having just ridden my bicycle on a grocery run, (was out of oatmeal, bran muffins and other colonoscopy-avoidance roughage) I had some time to contemplate that, and find--to my great surprise--that I agree. There occassionally are off-topic things here that I find interesting, funny or useful. So I can't support complete banishment, but I don't always have the time or inclination to wade through them while looking for on-topic stuff. A 50+ O/T sub-sub-forum might be a reasonable middle ground.

    Another option is a 50+ group letter to Brian asking the mods to just leave the 50+ forum alone unless we ask for help.
    That would set a poor precedent and be a genuinely Bad Idea®. Imagine if A&S or P&R got wind of that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    50+'rs - How to Avoid Getting Foo'd
    DF, thanks for the good advice.

    With regard to various and sundry changes proposed, I feel that 50+ is not "busted", and therefore it does not need to be fixed.

    I enjoy the humorous posts and many of those that are not directly related to cycling. Sounds like we're getting too legalistic or trying to over-specify 50+ as if we are a bunch of government bureaucrats. The mouse on my computer is analogous to the power switch, channel selector, or volume control on the remote. We have the freedom to choose not to view or participate in a topic.

    50+ is a little outside of the box, and that's great!

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    How many mods are 50+ in age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    How many mods are 50+ in age?
    Well, Tom Stormcrow is almost 50. (47 or 48 I think).

    Of course, after a year of moderating A & S or P & R, they feel at least 50 I assume...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    How many mods are 50+ in age?
    RonH is over 60, but won't admit it publicly. Besides, he has no problems or concerns in life!
    Last edited by DnvrFox; 09-02-07 at 02:07 PM.

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    So basically the 50+ forum is moderated by mostly 50- mods. That's like having mostly men moderate the women's only forum.
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    having made it to 50 against all the bets, i find that i am in no hurry to get anywhere now... that includes getting through the postings here. if i open a thread and it is not of interest, i move on. a few extra seconds out of the day (even multiples of extra seconds) will not delay my getting to the end of the day. this seems a relaxed place to hang out. there is great comfort in familiarity.

    i feel sorry for those who are such a hurry that they need somebody to "sort the mail" for them before they sit to read.... or are seemingly incapable of just sifting through as they go.....

    when you go to work, are all the conversation related only to work? or are there a few little chats that have nothing to do with work, but plenty to do with the worker?

    i agree with the poster who suggested a group letter requesting we be left alone unless we ask for help.
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    I will vote for keeping all threads in the 50+ and not having them in a sub group or moved to other forums. Would signing a petition (to send to the mods) do any good? If +/- 75% of the regulars signed the petition it might carry some weight.
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    Personally, I find it rather sad that so many of you in my age bracket don't want to share your experiences with younger people or listen to what they have to say about life. You'd rather live in your own gated, retirement community.

    Somebody, please shoot me if I ever get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
    Personally, I find it rather sad that so many of you in my age bracket don't want to share your experiences with younger people or listen to what they have to say about life. You'd rather live in your own gated, retirement community.

    Somebody, please shoot me if I ever get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
    Somebody, please shoot me if I ever get there.
    I'd be pleased to assist you in any way I can!

    Sign me,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post

    That would set a poor precedent and be a genuinely Bad Idea®. Imagine if A&S or P&R got wind of that...
    Actually, a letter writing and/or petition has been done before. In fact, that was a portion of how Koffe Brown got removed as assistant forum director. No, I was not involved in any way, although she and I had a continual battle, I never formally complained. She was a total rules person, unable to adjust to a more flexible forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
    Personally, I find it rather sad that so many of you in my age bracket don't want to share your experiences with younger people or listen to what they have to say about life. You'd rather live in your own gated, retirement community.

    Somebody, please shoot me if I ever get there.
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    In any event, that thread has been dealt with. Thank you to the mods
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    Actually, a good, metal toeclip can make a nifty birth control device should passion overcome a couple in midride. (Perhaps not so relevent for 50Plussers.) Which single moderator can fairly balance all points of view on what is helpful, germane, or vitally tied to another's cycling experience.

    Do we chat? How nice that some harmless oldsters like ourselves have found a connection. Beats hangin' at the local donut shop sucking up transfats.

    We need a firm, fair, open minded moderator or our own (with some admin latitude of action) to run our section of BF.
    Riding and aging don't get easier, you just get slower at slowing down.] (FiftyPlus observation inspired by G. Lemond.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    I prefer this forum. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    Sorry. I'm with the mods on this one.

    I disagree. While bikes and cycling are the core of this forum, its also about being a cyclist and a person who is 50+. That takes in all of life. Grandchildren, divorces, etc. Its wrong to limit it. But there should be balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    I disagree. While bikes and cycling are the core of this forum, its also about being a cyclist and a person who is 50+. That takes in all of life. Grandchildren, divorces, etc. Its wrong to limit it. But there should be balance.
    Agreed. This is actually an online community that is a community. There's a lot of support. A lot of genuine help. A lot of good will. Maybe it's just me getting older, but I'm willing to accept and find gentle humor in the occasional OT foibles of others in hopes that they'll accept and find gentle humor in mine.

    Try finding that somewhere else online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Travis View Post
    Agreed. This is actually an online community that is a community. There's a lot of support. A lot of genuine help. A lot of good will. Maybe it's just me getting older, but I'm willing to accept and find gentle humor in the occasional OT foibles of others in hopes that they'll accept and find gentle humor in mine.

    Try finding that somewhere else online.
    Yeah, like hearing about one's shaving habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Gee View Post
    Yeah, like hearing about one's shaving habits.
    You're harshing my mellow, dude. I sentence you to six weeks of hard labor in P&R.
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    Um Hmm

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    Hmmm mmmm

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    Here's what I find off-putting about having threads moved to Foo.

    The group here in the 50+ forum has developed a certain culture, if you will. A person might feel comfortable bringing up a personal topic here, knowing that culture, and having familiarity with the group here. That person may not be willing to introduce that same topic within the demographic of the Foo arena.

    It's not strictly an age issue; and it's not a condemnation of Foo. It's more about starting a conversation in a particular place, with a particular set of people, and then having that convo redirected to another location, without asking the OP if that is OK.

    I would at least like the mods to give the thread-starter some options: having a thread moved to Foo, or edited to fit the 50+ forum, or deleted if that is not possible.

    The suggestion to create a "conversation" subforum within this one makes very good sense to me. It gives the mods another option, beyond those I've outlined above, and keeps the "offending" thread within the community for which it was intended.

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